OT: Arizona destroys Oregon, 42-16.

Submitted by wolverine1987 on November 23rd, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Happy for Rich Rod and Arizona. Kadeem Carey was a man today, and Oregon failed, as several players during the week were dismissing the possibility of the Rose Bowl because they are focused on the national title. Good for Arizona and happy to see Oregon brought down.

Edit: not trying to start any flaming, this is news and I'm happy to see big upsets, and Oregon deserved to be brought down IMO.



November 23rd, 2013 at 7:55 PM ^

I don't necessarily disagree but I recall when RRod was here and he would mention youth, inexperience, etc. people would get in a huff that he was blasting Carr. He certainly devolved into directly blasting Carr so they had a point but that is why I think of that now.

OT: been doing any night putting lately?


November 24th, 2013 at 8:08 AM ^

Again another poster comlaining about close wins, but not factoring in close losses.  

Those were not RR's guys for the most part.  The upper classmen were Carr's guys.  And RichRod didn't win with them either.  


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^

Why is it RR vs. Hoke????

Both sucked for us.  Don't you get that.  It's like choosing between an alcoholic and a junky.  RR will always get a big win here or there because of his spread offense being so dynamic.  It was never consistent enough to win against big ass midwestern teams, especially when they could ram the ball down our defense's throat.

Hoke is clearly in over his head.  Guy is an X's and O's dunce.


You people are arguing over Toyota vs. Honda.  We need a Bentley, get a clue.

Perkis-Size Me

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^

RichRod was a failure here, no doubt about it. But the fans/alums/former players, collectively, never even gave him a fair chance, so it was never all his fault.

I'm happy for RichRod, but karma really is a bitch sometimes. Oh well. We deserve it for the way we treated him.

Perkis-Size Me

November 23rd, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

I'd say its karma in the fact that we got rid of him because he was fielding a sub-par product, he wasn't a "Michigan Man" or whatever that means. Michigan collectively treated RichRod like shit, and when we fired him, we went out to get one of "our guys."

Well, now we have our guy, and things haven't been improving much, if at all. Meanwhile, RichRod is somewhere with a fan base that actually accepts him, he just pounded the #6 team in America, and the direction of his program appears to be trending upward. We can't say the same for ours right now.

Maybe it's more under the category of ironic, but karma seemed appropriate as well.


November 24th, 2013 at 4:35 AM ^

Most Alums and fans gave RR a chance. I was 100 percent for RR even suffering through 2 losing season. Though I faltered a bit after seeing how the defense just crashed in '10. IMO, he should have been given 2 more years and allowed to hire his DC. I think there were talks with DB about doing this after the OSU game but the major collapse in the bowl game against MSU lead to his firing.

I just hope we don't make the same mistake and give Hoke a 5 year chance. There seems to be a gap in experience players but hopefully in 2 more season this gap will be filled with seniors. 2015 should be an excellent year unless DB dumps the coach again!


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:45 PM ^

I agree.  Who knows what may have happened if Casteel came with him.  I wanted Rod to stay for another year, but it iddn't happen.  Time to move on.  Hoke won 12 B1G games in two years and beat all three of the big rivals.


Now he has a bit of a gap in depth.  12 scolarship seniors this year and 13 next year.  We currently have 39 true and RS Freshmen.  I can't express enough how much people need to chill the fuck out about this.


November 24th, 2013 at 1:01 PM ^

So many of those pining away for what could have been say "well if only we paid Casteel more!" which makes two gross assumptions: (1) That money was the only reason holding Casteel back from the move to Michigan (it was not), (2) that Casteel would have made RR more successful at Michigan (impossible to prove, though obviously there's good reason to believe this).

If not having Casteel was the only thing holding RR back from being successful, what does that say for RR as a head coach? The two aren't joined at the hip. What happens if Casteel gets successful enough at Zone to jump to a head coach position? How does RR fare?

And the rest of this thread....ugggghhhh. Yes, that win over Oregon was very big. But folks acting like RR's team are SO VASTLY superior forget that his record and Michigan's record are identical. RR lost to Washington State. WSU is not that good, and I have no idea why folks think they are that good. They're no better than the Penn State or Nebraska type teams that Michigan has faced and lost to. If you look at the teams Arizona has beaten this year...other than Oregon it's a bunch of nobodies.  N Arizona, UNLV, UTSA, Utah, Colorado, Cal. Which win was their best? Utah? Wow, amazing victory there. And even oregon...Stanford exposed them, and Oregon has been much shakier recently than they ever were in previous years.

I'm not saying Arizona isn't better than Michigan right now, but folks here are acting like Zona is the greatest thing since sliced bread when the reality is both teams are 7-4 and closer than you think. Michigan beat ND and Minnesota handily this year...obviously nowhere near the accomplishment of beating Oregon but those wins count for something too, ya know (Minny is 8-3 and only lost to Wisconsin by 13 yesterday...not too shabby).

And we cannot ignore that Arizona is more experienced right now than Michigan. It matters. A lot. As Michigan fans, given the past 5 years, we should know better than most that it matters.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:50 PM ^

The same year that Brandon hired Hoke, he tripled the salary of the Michigan defensive coordinator. That means Rodriguez gets Casteel, or at least someone he wanted more than GERG. The only way GERG could still be here is if Rodriguez decides to keep him and give him a raise; given his quick firing of Shafer, this is unlikely without him also losing his job.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^

I like RR and hope he does well...after 3 yrs he has NOTHING to do with the failure of this regime in year 3. Simple as that.

Also, I do like to watch Kadeem Carey run the ball that kid reminds me a lot of Chris Perry.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^

I think he does still have something to do with it. See the 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes.

Just like how a lot of Carr's late recruiting had a massive impact on RR's lack of success.

If you want to know why your program is struggling, one of the easiest ways to answer that question is to look at 4 recruiting cycles ago. If the class(es) that should be Seniors(and Juniors) is(are) a flaming crater, chances are your program is going to have some issues.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:46 PM ^

"Michigan Men" undermined recruiting in Rich's second and third years.

The so-called "Michigan Men" are reaping what they sowed.

As opposed to so-called "Michigan Men", there are genuine people with same moniker who know that today's unfortunate situation could be very much different.

You break it, you own it.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^

Everyone is so quick to say ''Arizona has the same record as us'' but guess what? Have we even beat anyone worth a shit in the Hoke era? Hoke's best win is probably Nebraska in 2011. Also Arizona would destroy Michigan right now and I hope to god we don't have to play them in a bowl. 


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:25 PM ^

You can't compare those records one to one. The Big 10 is a dogshit compared to the PAC-12 this year. UM also doesn't even have a win over a top 25 team.

You are right on your second point though, it is past history, and RR was not succesful here. It is still disgenous to try and compare records when one team is clearly playing in the better conference though.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

Let's not let this happen again.  Everyone stay positive and patient.  Hoke is going to get us there just like RR was before we pulled the rug from him.


On a side note.   Hey Section 1 give me a call and we'll talk about  how we'd be undefeated and averaging 50 a game in this rum dum league heading into this monster showdown with OSU.  We can talk about how great we would be right now and how much shit we took from this board for sticking with RR until he was out the door singing Josh songs.  


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:29 PM ^

His defense and special teams were the worst UM has ever had. Certainly the offense was good, but it continuously failed in big games.


Question Hoke all you want, but RR still did a horrible job here even considering that he was treated like horseshit.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:40 PM ^

"His defense and special teams were the worst UM has ever had"....kind of like our offense right now. Setting records in futility.


Kind of hard to know where he would have taken us seeing that he was shown the door before any of his recruits could have 2 years starting experience in his system.


And then, once we boot him, we decide to give the next guy the kind of budget for assistants RRod could only dream of. 


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:20 PM ^

One, recognizing the importance of Casteel.  There wasn't any doubt he'd move to Arizona.  Now that's not saying he didn't pursue Jeff to come to Michigan.


Embracing Arizona traditions.  Making it a point to say things even in his introductory press conference.  


Football-wise, it's been a much bigger balance on offense.  Denker has made huge improvements throwing the ball as the season has gone on.  I thought after Scott graduated, they'd move into the primarily run-oriented style.


That offense will really take off next year.  A young group of WRs, Carey, 4/5 OL.  4 star redshirt freshman QB.  Already a top 20 defense.  5 P12 home games.


November 23rd, 2013 at 7:35 PM ^

Illogical post anyway.  Arizona consistently creates holes.  Returning OL from that group should continue, if not improve their running game.  Michigan isn't getting running room, is getting blown off the ball, and lose more OL.  You'll get it next time.


Also, Michigan loses their two best offensive linemen.