schone32

February 5th, 2016 at 3:17 PM ^

You really can't make an addict do anything. They have to decide to get help for themselves. The best thing those that care about him can do for him at this point is sever ties until he decides to get help.

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BlueInClearwater

February 5th, 2016 at 5:26 PM ^

that severing ties is a good thing. It let's them know you won't be sitting front row to watch them kill themselves, are done with their shit, and they won't be using your money to feed their addiction any longer. However, I don't know how much that will affect someone who's already a millionaire and a minor celebrity. He doesn't need his family's money at this point (he will though in the not-so-distant future on his current trajectory) and I don't think his dad severing ties will magically make a light bulb go off to stop what he's doing in his situation. I could see his dad and family annoying him into going into rehab moreso than if they just cut ties, but it's all a moot point until he hits his personal rock bottom and decides he needs to straighten his life up.

tsunami42080

February 5th, 2016 at 8:01 PM ^

There's only so much "reasoning" that can be done (ie, little to none) with an addict. They are often quick to tune out anyone pleading with them to get help. Another aspect in severing ties is preventing an addict from taking down friends/family on the proverbial sinking ship. The healthy people have to stay healthy, and sometimes that includes severing ties, although that is a last resort.

schone32

February 5th, 2016 at 11:34 PM ^

In a weird way severing ties removes the power, control,& ability to manipulate away from the addict. It's a way to get off the crazy train/merry go round you've been riding with them. It helps the addict feel the consequences& can serve as a shock to their system...maybe enough for them to want to stop using. My family figured this out the hard way. My little bro overdosed at the age of 33 a few years ago. Best advice I can give is that you shouldn't try to help/save/protect an addict. The best help you can give them is to let them deal with the consequences of their addictions.

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CoverZero

February 5th, 2016 at 10:42 PM ^

Best of luck to you.  Hang in there, and congrats on how far you have come. 

I have an older brother who's life is behind bars (5 time offender in Jackson for the next 40 years) due to heavy drug use which lead to a life of petty crime and living on the streets.  As brilliant of an athlete and student he was....as handsome as he was....its all gone now due to the needle.  At least he has a roof over his head now.

Sac Fly

February 5th, 2016 at 3:35 PM ^

Up until it came out that he put on a wig and a fake moustache to go party, he had a large number of fans blaming the Browns for unfairly persecuting him. Even boneheads like Richard Sherman were blaming it on "haters."

He was an addict, with a million enablers.

Rabbit21

February 5th, 2016 at 4:54 PM ^

What's he suppossed to do?  Tie him to a chair until he detoxes?  Re-enact the Detox scene from Trainspotting?

We don't know what the dad has done, we don't know if he's held an intervention or anything else.  

He's a grown man with his own money, there're only so many levers his father can pull. 

m_go_T

February 5th, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^

Both rich kids from Texas oil money families.  He is a cocky prick.  I really don't care how this ends for him.  In fact, if I had to choose between a) failure/tragedy and b) climbs the mountain and leads anyone but the Lions to the super bowl, I would have to go with a) based on his attitude and personal backstory. 

Stay.Classy.An…

February 5th, 2016 at 3:23 PM ^

I really hope nobody in your family or circle of friends has to deal with anything like this ever in their life. I wouldn't wish alcoholism or drug addiction on my worst enemy. You act like you know Manziel personally because you have read some stories about his life or his attitude online. Regardless of how you feel about him personally, essentially wishing "death or something terrible" on someone says a lot more about you than him. 

His Dudeness

February 5th, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

I know I'm not exactly the most liked person on this site but why can't I wish for something bad to happen to someone I don't care for? Random internet poster can hate Manziel all he likes and hope for him to have a horrible life. I don't even think it says that much about him or her either. Shit happens to people all the time. People are drunks. People die of alcoholism. You dont know 99% of them. This randoms internet post doesn't mean anything. Yours won't stop anything bad from happening. No reason to get all sanctimonious about it. I hope Kanye dies. I can't stand him. My life would be better if he were not in it. I said it.

 

His Dudeness

February 5th, 2016 at 4:05 PM ^

Hahaha! That's awesome. His music isn't even awful. It's the man I don't care for. And not even every iteration of the man. I liked College Droupout Kanye quite a bit. Yeezus Kanye bugs the shit out of me. I'm not even religious at all. He just seems like a real, pure, genuine asshole now. Which is very unfortunate. He's a smart guy. He knows how it all looks. I just don't see why he can't portray a likeable character. I'm not saying he has to go full George Forman, but it's not that hard for a smart guy like him to seem appealing to most people.  

Nitro

February 5th, 2016 at 4:19 PM ^

Someone who's really concerned with the public image of themselves that they're projecting is much more suited for a suit and tie than being an artist.

Kanye operates almost 100% on emotion, to the benefit of music fans everywhere (except when he's designing clothes or making shitty songs with Paul McCartney). I personally think it's admirable that he opens himself up to public scorn so much in the interest of maintaining his creative abilities. 

Nitro

February 5th, 2016 at 4:10 PM ^

To me, an objective look at Manziel's collective "body of work" indicates that it's much more likely he's an undisciplined douche than an alcoholic.  I copied these links into another post below -- in terms of why people are referring him as an entitled brat, it is certainly worth considering the family he comes from:

http://deadspin.com/the-long-con-how-the-manziels-conquered-america-104…

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/article/Manzie…

Now, wishing death upon the greatest musician of my generation, simply because he's outlandish?  THAT is an opinion worth chastising!

03 Blue 07

February 5th, 2016 at 4:26 PM ^

Is Kanye the greatest musician of your generation? Really? He's not even the greatest hip hop artist of the 21st century. How can he "win" all of music when he isn't really even the best in his own genre? (I realize this is all wholly subjective; also, I'm a Kanye fan, and I think the guy is original and comes at things differently, for better or worse, but it's a leap to call him the greatest musician of this generation). 

Nitro

February 5th, 2016 at 4:41 PM ^

The biggest factor in my determination is his work as a producer/arranger.  Other than Dre, he's the only musician in the past 30 years (hip-hop or otherwise) who's altered the entire course of popular music on several different occasions.  And Dre isn't close to matching Kanye on the mic, even with ghostwriters.

I'm Batman

February 5th, 2016 at 5:45 PM ^

Music even one time let alone several.

Also I have as much respect and admiration for musical producers, and arrangers as much as the next guy, but if you don't play a musical instrument, you are not eligible for the title of greatest musician of our time.

Nitro

February 5th, 2016 at 9:45 PM ^

"Boasting that your opinions aren't based on decades of experience is a very strange tactic."

I'm not "boasting about my opinions."  I'm not trying to win a contest over who is a more definitive authority on music or who has "better taste."  People who do that are annoying as shit. Listening to music is about listening to music, not about trying to be "the best at it."  Whatever my opinions are, it doesn't impede my ability to enjoy music, so they're "working out for me."

The "old man" reference wasn't about my "experience."  Based on yours, I'm assuming your "play real instruments" requirement goes back to reasons why you didn't like disco in the 70s, so I know I'm not going to change your mind on something that deeply ingrained.  I could go into details of my experience like you felt a need to, but, like I mentioned above, this isn't about my ego. I don't need to feel like I'm the best at listening to music.

 

I'm Batman

February 5th, 2016 at 11:36 PM ^

But in the future, don't state out loud that someone has single handedly changed the course of music several times, and is the greatest musician of our generation, then stand behind the old in my opinion cop out.

You never said it was an opinion, you stated it as if it was fact.