June 26th, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^

Sure didn't look good for him when they found he destroyed a lot of the evidence. Have fun in jail for the foreseeable future, hope you didn't get too attached to making a few million bucks a year


June 26th, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

Police have Hernandez on tape from that night with a firearm saying "You can't trust anyone anymore" before going to pickup Lloyd (the guy murdered).

yossarians tree

June 26th, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^

If he did it, put him in the hole for life. What an idiotic waste of an opportunity.

That being said, I don't know how anyone gets away with anything now. They tracked his movements for the whole shameful night just by cell tower and surveillance cameras. Then they get all of his text messages, his OWN surveillance cameras...geez. Yes, this is a horrible crime, and no politics, but the machinations are all certainly in place for a bona fide police state. There's something disturbing about that too. When the head of Google says "If you're worried about someone seeing what you're doing on your computer, maybe you shouldn't be doing it," that is frightening.

Louie C

June 26th, 2013 at 3:53 PM ^

What's creepy is when you mentioned him being tracked by cell phone towers and surveillance cameras the first thing I thought was "Damn, we are getting closer and closer to a police state," and then I read the rest of your paragraph, and that litteraly gave me the chills.   Makes it seem eerily prophetic when Micheal Jackson and Rockwell recorded "Somebody's Watching Me" thirty years ago. 


June 26th, 2013 at 5:45 PM ^

So the idea that cops can track your movements after getting a warrant because there is substantial evidence you committed a crime is scary to you? I'm sure Lloyd's family is happy about the fact that cops could figure out who killed their brother.

Also what if Hernandez was innocent and nowhere near Lloyd that night? They would have been able to determine that using his cell phone. So your "police state" doesn't seem all that bad to me. But that's just like, my opinion man.


June 26th, 2013 at 11:48 PM ^

If you haven't been paying attention to the news , you might realize that the gov. has been tracking lots of people w/o warrants, for a long time.

And of course, none of that info would ever be abused, because this is the USA, we're different and our govt doesn't do anything wrong, ever.


June 26th, 2013 at 5:46 PM ^

The government isn't spending $2 billion on the new 1.5 million sq. ft Utah Data Center . for nothing...

The data center is alleged to be able to process "all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Internet searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital 'pocket litter'.



June 26th, 2013 at 4:19 PM ^

Interesting. So let's say the police assume that Hernandez and someone decided that the Lloyd needed to be "taken care of." Hernandez assists in some way but the other guy is the one who actually kills Lloyd, Hernandez can still be convicted of murder? Not aiding or abetting or conspiracy or some related non-murder charge?

I guess it's sort of like charging the get away driver with robbery, and not some sort of assisting in a robbery type charge. That makes sense.

We Are The Borg

June 26th, 2013 at 3:09 PM ^

Like, is his life soooooo bad or did someone insult him sooooo badly that he needed to kill a guy? I have to say hell no. Being an NFL player means you are one of few people on the PLANET with the necessary skills to play that game, but he had to make a stupid decision. Obviously that applies if found guilty, but I just don't understand. Rich and famous people have it made. I just find it hard to believe that their lives are so bad or they have so many problems that some of them resort to committing crimes, even ones as bad as murder. I know, I know..."money doesn't always bring happiness." I call bull shit on that. Having a ton of money is more than enough to make people happy. Having no financial worries is SUCH an advantage in life and one that billions of people would love to have.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:40 PM ^

Obvoiusly there is more to life than fame and fortune.  And people from all walks of life suffer from various issues no matter how rich or famous they may be.  That said, being a professional football player provides a lot of secruity, for both Herandez and his family, in life that the average person does not have.  He has been very blessed/lucky/fortunate in his life so far.  I sometimes find myself wondering how such a person cannot see how fortunate they are and instead of being greatful for all the good in their life, they focus on the bad, which exacerbates stressors in life and leads to destructive behavior.  It should be easier for a guy like him to keep on the sunny side of life.  But again, I do not know him, and perhaps there are other mental/personality issues he's struggling with.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:04 PM ^

Quick question - just how stupid is Hernandez anyways?  Nothwithstanding it appears (for now anyways) that he might be a murderer (allegedly).....did he honestly think destroying his phone would keep the police from finding out what was on it - who he called or text'd that night?

Or was he SO stupid that he took pictures of the guy he killed?  I cannot imagine what "evidence" he thought destroying his phone would eliminate.  


June 26th, 2013 at 3:10 PM ^

Watching the courtroom on ESPN just for a minute and the lawyer is saying they have records of him texting the guy telling him he wants to meet up, and then eventually a "get the hell out here" I assume the stupidity is him thinking breaking a phone gets rid of all texts? Obviously if it turns out to be true he wasnt exactly in a great frame of mind


June 26th, 2013 at 3:06 PM ^

Maybe if he had actually suffered the consequences of any of the bad stuff he's done over the past six years, he might have thought twice about shooting someone again (allegedly). Instead, he's just been let off with wrist slaps again and again.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:10 PM ^

How ironic.  What you just wrote was virtually identical to what I was going to post when the Oregon "sanctions" were announced today.  That the NCAA reminds me of a bad parent who allow one child to act as they please and then wonder why none of their other "children" will abide by their rules.

Organizations are like people.  If allowed to do bad things without consequence they will continue and generally escalate the bad behavior.  Unfortunately.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:23 PM ^

Organizations are just like people? No politics!  And I reiterate that I think this escalation has more to do with the guy who came forward last week about the original shooting.  I feel like this may be a direct result of Lloyd possibly talking in some way.  But that's just my baseless internet speculation.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:11 PM ^

Life is all about making them and living with them.....some do not get that!  And never will!  Condolences to the victims family....many lives ruined....and no winners in this game.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:18 PM ^

Hernandez wasn't stupid, and he didn't make "a mistake." He chose a lifestyle (and, it appears, a group of associates), lived the lifestyle, and will go to prison for the rest of his life for his lifestyle. He was capable (and financially equipped) to live a life free from this sort of thing and did not. 

What's really discouraging about this is that I know and work with people who have been involved in serious gang-related crime in the worst areas of places like Chicago, that are trying hard to change direction and get away from it, and are trying to get by with no money and no high school degree. And someone who has college education, a dream job, and millions of dollars simply doesn't care.



June 26th, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^

I have enjoyed reading virtually everything you have ever posted Stephenr and generally speaking I find you to be spot-on with your observations but saying Hernandez wasn't stupid?  Sorry - can't agree there.  Anybody who thinks that by destroying a phone he's keeping authorities from finding out what was on the phone is....well.....stupid IMO.

You can now resume being insightful.


June 26th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

That's a fair critique. I am trying to push against the "young and stupid" idea that is bandied about occasionally when some younger athlete does something wrong. Athletes who get into trouble are often equated with Lennie Small from Of Mice and Men, intellectually unaware of the damage they are capable of rendering. That is not the case here.

He was not foolishly waving a gun around thinking it wasn't loaded, or playing around with his chauffer like Jayson Williams. It is not a momentary lapse in intelligence that causes someone to get a gun, enter a car, pick up another person, and shoot that person in the head. That is an act of premeditated evil.

Was he stupid to think that smashing his cell phone could eliminate the evidence? I agree with you there. Even if he were somehow not guilty of the actual murder, his role in the cover-up (bungled, it seems, and I'm glad for that) is idiocy.

But shooting a man in the head is not petting a mouse too hard.