OT: 83 OSU students accused of cheating via social media app

Submitted by Wolverine In Iowa 68 on November 13th, 2017 at 12:09 PM

Ohio State University has accused 83 of its students of cheating by using the GroupMe app to work on classwork together.

The app, which lets users send chats to large groups of people simultaneously, is permitted to be used by the school's rules, but is subject to the same scrutiny as any other form of communication.

Sounds like they started using it as a work-around.  No students names have been released, and no football players or other athletes have been implicated in the article.

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/11/13/scandal-rocks-ohio-state-univers…

 

Comments

ijohnb

November 13th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^

massive picture of Ohio Stadium above the article appears to be somewhat misleading.  I mean, we know they don't go there to play school but it doesn't sound like this has anything to do with the football team.

This is a non-story anyway.  Everyone cheats, everyone murders.

GoWings2008

November 13th, 2017 at 2:39 PM ^

Reminds me of the story of the osu student who had been at the school for a LONG time...he'd taken every class at least once, most of them twice.  The academic department got together and decided that they needed to either graduate him or flunk him out.

So they set up his final "final exam" at the football stadium so that everyone who knew him could attend, which is most everyone considering the time he'd been there.  

The academic board sat on one side of the 50 yd line, the student at the other.  They proceeded with the ONLY question of the exam:

"What is one....plus one?"

The student pondered the question for a few moments and responded:

"Two."

 

At which point the entire student body jumped up in excitement, screaming..

"GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE!!!!!"

Solecismic

November 13th, 2017 at 6:02 PM ^

That was the toughest class I took at Michigan (and before even the AOL days of the internet). It was something like 482.

I slogged through it and the stuff I learned there was probably more valuable in my understanding of how to structure large projects than anything else I've ever done.

quigley.blue

November 13th, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^

I'm not going to pretend that when we had particularly difficult Maple problems for Physics lab, we didn't get a group of a few people together to try one answer each instead of each of us trying 6 and getting no credit.

Brhino

November 13th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

Fully one third of my EECS 280 class got reported to the engineering Honor Council for alledgedly cheating.  Apparently everyone's code looked a little too similar for comfort.  I wasn't reported myself so I don't know how it turned out for everyone.  There's kind of a large grey area between collobrating on work and cheating, I guess.

carolina blue

November 13th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^

It is amazing now what people will do to cheat. I got my undergrad over 10 years ago, and none of this stuff they’re doing now was even possible. My wife just took a Praxis exam last week and was basically strip-searched before she went in. She said it was worse than airport security. They wanted to examine her glasses to make sure there was not a camera embedded in it, she could not wear earrings because they said it could be a listening device, could not have a Watch, or anything else. The only thing she could have on other than clothes was her wedding ring.

Perkis-Size Me

November 13th, 2017 at 1:04 PM ^

Same when I went to get my SHRM certification about a year ago. You can't bring in your wallet, phone, watch, car keys, water bottle or even your own pencil and paper. If you want it they provide it for you. All you could have was a wedding or engagement ring. 

And it's only going to get worse in the coming years. Cheating is like a virus. We'll think of new ways to block it, but then it will adapt and attack in brand new ways. More or less a never-ending battle. 

bgoblue02

November 13th, 2017 at 1:49 PM ^

is probably outlined in the amount of scrutiny each gets.  Its no different then the old trick of putting all the details into your graphing calculator.  The platform allowed for it and the teacher let you use it.  If they didnt' want you to use it they either handed out school calculators or said none at all. 

The Maizer

November 13th, 2017 at 2:37 PM ^

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying if the Professor said you were allowed to use a graphing calculator but you couldn't use it for any details or notes, that using it for details and notes would be okay?

This is similar to being allowed to have one sheet of paper with equations written on it in an exam and then you use that piece of paper to instead write the answers of the exam. You're using an allowed tool (paper / GroupMe app) to do a disallowed activity (write answers / copy answers).

MgoHillbilly

November 13th, 2017 at 2:48 PM ^

I assumed at first that there was at least a single OSU student that knew the material which would have surprised me.  I was ready to give props to that one student and encourage them to transfer to a better school.  However when you think about it more, you'd assume the reason they got caught was because it was a shit performance from at least one OSU student that resulted in unifomly shitty answers from the rest of the group.  That makes more sense.  A lot more.

MGoAero

November 13th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

Totally.  I remember one of our Aero professors specifically telling us to not even try doing the homework on our own - we wouldn't be able to complete it.  Told us to work together in a group and figure it out together.  Even if you were dragged along by your classmates with the homework, you still had to perform on the exams.  Most of your grade was determined by exams, so it didn't really matter if you copied answers for homework.

lhglrkwg

November 13th, 2017 at 12:33 PM ^

It was the same for me in ME. I'd say during some office hours there were 20 of us there all working out the toughest assignments.

But I'd say at 83 people, you clearly don't know everyone else in the group. I'd bet they got busted because this 83 person GroupMe chat wasn't people working together in the library, it was probably a repository for answers or something very close to it which would be an abuse of the idea of 'collaborating'

Yeoman

November 13th, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^

It's probably very dependent on the local social norms. As an undergrad our honor code required the faculty to leave the room during exams; cheating was self-regulated by the students, successfully. A lot of our exams were take-homes, sometimes closed book, sometimes with time limits, and people did not cheat. It simply wasn't done, part of the ethos of the place. Blue book essays or problems would trail off mid-sentence because the two hours was up.

Then I got to grad school and was shocked to discover that as a TA I was expected to proctor exams. And more shocked when I had to stare down people who were quite obviously trying to copy answers. Some of my fellow TAs were as surprised by the cheating as I was; more of them were surprised by my surprise.

Perkis-Size Me

November 13th, 2017 at 12:59 PM ^

I don't know the facts, but when you've got 83 people being charged, it sounds less like a couple buddies getting together to work on homework and more like an entire section of a class committing to just dishing out answers to the masses. 

I don't think there's anything wrong with people working together on assignments or projects as long as it's not specifically forbidden by the professor. Where the issue comes in is a few people completing the assignment and then just handing out the answers to everyone so no one actually has to put in the work. 

lhglrkwg

November 13th, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^

Me and my 4-6 closest engineering buddies always worked on homework and prepping for exams together which I'd say is typical just about anywhere. Seems like 83 is just a stupid number where at that point it drifted far past collaboration and went into a repository for answers