OT: '17-'18 Depth Chart: Version 3 ("Kum-Ba-Yah Edition")

Submitted by Mr. Yost on December 31st, 2016 at 1:36 PM

Posting this for one reason. Because too much of the talk on the board today is trying to place blame.

I already know this thread likely isn't going to go over well - but, it's time to look forward. If you have snowflakes, put them in the Snowflake threads below. You can place your feelings there for everyone to read if he/she chooses.

Bad loss, and I too feel like shit, but crying about it and blaming players on the team or fighting over legacy isn't going to help or change anything (in a positive manner).

There isn't one guy on that team or associated with that program that didn't do everything he could to win that game last night. Not one.

Notes:

  1. He's coming back, dammit.
  2. I don't know the EE freshman, so I can't really predict who's going to play and who isn't. It's Decemeber of the year before...I really don't care at this point. The EE's will obviously have a leg up on the rest.
  3. I realize this is Michigan-related and technically not "OT" - but it's still way too far away to be ON topic, IMO...just some fantasy to take your mind off of yesterday's game.
  4. I realize we're likely going to have 1 more QB transfer.
  5. I will try and go back and update this throughout the year to keep it as current as possible.

QB
1. Wilton Speight (RS Jr.)
2. John O'Korn (RS Sr.) / Brandon Peters (RS Fr.)
4. Alex Malzone (RS So.)
rs: Dylan McCaffrey (Fr.)

RB
1. Karan Higdon (Jr.)  / Chris Evans (So.)
3. Kareem Walker (RS Fr.) / Ty Isaac (RS Sr.)
5. Kingston Davis (RS Fr.)
rs: Kurt Taylor (Fr.)

Hybrid RB/Slot
1. Chris Evans (So.)
2. Jabrill Peppers (RS Jr.) 
3. O'Maury Samuels (Fr.)

FB
1. Khalid Hill (RS Sr.)
2. Henry Poggi (RS Sr.)
rs: Ben Mason (Fr.)

WR1
1. Kekoa Crawford (So.)
2. Drake Harris (RS Jr.)
3. Tarik Black (Fr.)

WR2
1. Donovan Peoples-Jones (Fr.)
2. Maurice Ways (RS Jr.)
3. Brad Hawkins (Fr.)

SLOT
1. susp: Grant Perry (Jr.)
2. Eddie McDoom (So.) 
3. Nate Johnson (So.)

TE1
1. Ian Bunting (RS Jr.)
2. Sean McKeon (RS Fr.)
3. Zach Gentry (RS So.) / Nick Eubanks (RS Fr.)

TE2
1. Devin Asiasi (So.)
2. Tyrone Wheatley Jr. (RS So.)

LT
1. Juwan Bushell-Beatty (RS Jr.)
2. Nolan Ulizio (RS So.)
inj rs: Grant Newsome (Jr.)

LG
1. Patrick Kugler (RS Sr.)
2. David Dawson (RS Sr.)
3. Stephen Spanellis (RS Fr.) / Jon Runyan Jr. (RS So.)
rs: Joel Honigford (Fr.)

C
1. Mason Cole (Sr.)
2. Patrick Kugler (RS Sr.)
3. Jon Runyan Jr. (RS So.)
rs: Cesar Ruiz (Fr.)

RG
1. Michael Onwenu (So.)
2. David Dawson (RS Sr.)
3. Stephen Spanellis (RS Fr.) / Jon Runyan Jr. (RS So.)
rs: Andrew Stueber (Fr.)

RT
1. Ben Bredeson (So)
2. Nolan Ulizio (RS So.)
rs: Kai-Leon Herbert (Fr.)
rs: JaRaymond Hall (Fr.)

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WDE
1. Chase Winovich (RS Jr.)
2. Carlo Kemp (So.) / Luiji Vilain (Fr.)
4. Shelton Johnson (RS So.)

NG
1. Bryan Mone (RS Jr.)
2. Michael Dwumfour (RS Fr.)
rs: Phillip Paea (Fr.)

DT
1. Maurice Hurst (RS Sr.)
2. Rashan Gary (So.)
3. Donovan Jeter (Fr.) / James Hudson (Fr.)

SDE
1. Rashan Gary (So.)
2. Lawrence Marshall (RS Jr.) / Ron Johnson (RS Fr.)
4. Corey Malone-Hatcher (Fr.) / Deron Irving-Bey (Fr.)
rs: Corey Malone-Hatcher (Fr.) / Deron Irving-Bey (Fr.)

OLB
1. Mike McCray (RS Sr.)
2. Noah Furbush (RS Jr.)
3. Reuben Jones (RS So.) / Devin Gil (RS Fr.)
5. Elysee Mbem-Bosse (RS Fr.)
rs: Kwity Paye (Fr.)

ILB
1. Devin Bush Jr. (So.)
2. Josh Uche (RS Fr.) / Josh Ross (Fr.)
4. Jordan Anthony (Fr.)
5. Jared Wangler (RS Jr.)
rs: Drew Singleton (Fr.)

VIPER
1. Jabrill Peppers (RS Jr.)
2. Josh Metellus (So.)
3. Jordan Glasgow (RS So.) / Khaleke Hudson (So.)

CB
1. Lavert Hill (So.)
2. Ambry Thomas (Fr.) / Benjamin St.-Juste (Fr.)

CB
1. David Long (RS Fr.) / Brandon Watson (RS Jr.)
3. Keith Washington (RS So.)

S
1. Tyree Kinnel (Jr.)
2. Jaylen Kelly-Powell (Fr.)

S
1. Jeremy Clark (6th Sr.)
2. Jabrill Peppers (RS Jr.)
3. Josh Mettelus (So.) / J'Marick Woods (Fr.)

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K
1. Quinn Nordin (RS Fr.)

P
1. Will Hart (RS Fr.)

KO
1. Quinn Nordin (RS Fr.)

Comments

westwardwolverine

December 31st, 2016 at 2:17 PM ^

Here's hoping. Its unlikely that the OL will be elite next year, so either a RB or QB needs to step up. At RB, maybe Evans or (hopefully) Harris? 

At QB....Speight just doesn't seem like he's that guy. He's fine, if we had a great offensive line, he probably would have been more than enough this year, but he just misses so many easy throws. And really, his great performances this year all came against garbage teams. His best performance against a quality team was probably Penn State, where he was 21-34 for 189 yards and a TD. 

I think we've seen enough as to how having a player who can create something out of nothing matters in close games (Wadley at Iowa, Samuel/Barrett at OSU and Cook at FSU). 

Navy Wolverine

December 31st, 2016 at 4:00 PM ^

Speight seems like a completely different QB to me during away games so I did a comparison of his home vs. away stats:

(Comp-Att-%Comp-Yards-TD-Int)

Home: 127 Comp / 193 Att (65.8%) /  1,709 Yards (244 Per Game) / 14 TD / 2 Int

Away: 77 Comp / 138 Att (55.8%) / 829 Yards (166 Per Game) / 4 TD / 5 Int

I included the Orange Bowl as an away game.

I guess one theory is that we played our toughest opponents on the road this year but even against Rutgers, Speight was only 6 for 13 for 100 yards with 1 TD and 0 Ints. Granted, he didn't need to do much in that game.

Here are his stats against our quality opponents (Colorado, PSU, Wisconsin, Iowa, OSU and FSU):

112 Comp / 196 Att (57.1%) / 1,122 Yards (187 Per Game) / 6 TD / 5 Int

I'm not sure if this is a result of not playing a real road game until the 8th game of the year (MSU) and the team never felt comfortable playing away from Michigan Stadium but it is something that stood out to me.

 

 

 

BursleyBaitsBus

December 31st, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^

I've seen Speight choke in every big game this season sans MSU. So yeah, I'm confident.

If Peters can't beat out Speight, then next year is looking like 8-4 at best.

Florida neutral L. Wisconsin away L. PSU white out L. Stacked OSU L.

Speight with an inexperienced oline gives me zero confidence against them especially since he doesn't like showing up until 3/4s of the game is over.

backusduo

December 31st, 2016 at 7:43 PM ^

I totally get it and I want to defend a Michigan QB too, but did you see how bad Francis got hit by Taco yesterday and yet he continued to step into his throws and had enough to finish the game. We all play hurt every day in life and yet we find a way to get done what we need to. There is a difference between hurt and injured. I don't feel like Speight figured out how to play hurt this year. Good players do.

funkywolve

December 31st, 2016 at 7:54 PM ^

finished the game 9 for 27.  Not sure when he got hit by Taco but Francois was 3 for 5 for 180 yds after the 92 yd TD.  After that he went 6 for 22 for 42 yds.  Once the UM defense settled down and started getting pressure on him, Francois was completely ineffective in the passing game.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

December 31st, 2016 at 7:44 PM ^

He played an extra year of HS and he redshirted, so this was his 4th season from his true HS sr year. Frankly, I'm surprised at the lack of lifting and bulk added by him over the last three years.

He can definitely get better, but his physical limitations (arm strength, agility, durability) put a lower ceiling on him than Peters.

jdemille9

January 1st, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^

I'm with ya. All that extra time in the system and a full season of game action is tough to beat. Unless Peters is literally the 2nd coming of Andrew Luck I just don't see how Speight isn't the starter. Luck's RS Fr year he wasn't the Luck we think of today;

It's just hard to imagine Speight not getting better. Regardless, QB is not really an area of concern for me under Harbaugh. It's the OL that worries me. 

Magnum P.I.

December 31st, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

There was a lot of talk when he came in of moving Ty Wheatley to left tackle. Given that Asiasi fills a similar role as Wheatley (arguably better), I'd like to see Wheatley gain weight and give LT a shot. It's our biggest question mark next year, and maybe Wheatley could grow into a svelte, Lewanesque tackle. He's need about 30 extra pounds.

Mr Miggle

December 31st, 2016 at 7:29 PM ^

and as someone else said, it's only been talked about by some fans. I doubt any of our most knowledgable posters has suggested it.

Wheatley is going to be a productive player at TE. That's also where he wants to play. Ask him to gain 30 pounds to try out a new position and you had better be sure he'll be better than our other options at tackle.  Would he really be ready to step in and start right away? Putting someone who has never played a snap on OL at LT scares me more than the options we already have.

 

Mr. Yost

December 31st, 2016 at 1:45 PM ^

Here are my guesses for "moves" to add/move/delete on this depth chart (above).

 

Final recruits...
27: Najee Harris
28: Chuck Filiaga
29: Mekhi Becton
30: Jay Tufele
31: Nico Collins
32: Jabrill Peppers

 

  1. Harris instantly goes into the mix as starting RB
  2. Filiaga goes to LT for depth - no redshirt
  3. Becton goes to LT as well - redshirts
  4. Ulizio and Bredeson battle for RT..if Bredeson loses he goes back to LG, Kuglar and Onwenu battle it out for RG.
  5. Tufele goes to NG with a / next to Dwumfour
  6. Collins goes to WR with a / next to Tarik Black - loser of this battle redshirts

 

Notes:

  • IMO we lose another QB, RB, maybe 1 OL although I hope not...also maybe 1 OLB.
  • Asiasi and Wheatley both get significant PT along with Bunting - the 2. next to Wheatley doesn't mean much.
  • Either Jeter or Irving-Bey (or both) move inside to DT by the end of fall camp.
  • VIPER seems here to stay so I just tried to bunch everyone else. 
  • I like Clark at CB, but from day 1 it's been said that Don Brown's safties are more like CBs because he plays so much man - Clark fits there. Otherwise, put Clark at CB and move Watson to S.
  • We could use a grad transfer or two for depth and experience.

True Blue Grit

December 31st, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

2 QB's.  I would think Alex Malzone (who is a talented guy) could easily look to somewhere else where he could get playing time.  Here, his prospects of seeing the field are slim to none.  Then possibly one of the other guys.   I hope we don't though.  Injuries can come in groups even at one position.  

BTW, thank you for starting this thread.  Losing last night was hard enough.  But reading some of the negative takes on various players, coaches, etc. gets kind of depressing.  This topic naturally helps raise optimism levels.  

SeattleWolverine

December 31st, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^

I think you just hope that they go through spring practice and give it a go first. You lose Morris, and then maybe another guy, and then I dont think McCaffery is an early enrollee so you have some combination of O'Korn, Malzone and Peters as your backups. If you lose two out of that group then you really only have 2 QBs at spring practice and that's not ideal. Also, usually you have to play a 2nd QB during garbage time so you really don't want McCaffrey as your 3rd where a major injury puts him at risk of burning his redshirt. Unless Gentry moves back but doesn't seem likely that happens or even necessarily that....

 

Anyway, hopefully, if one does leave, that plus the Morris departure starts to make the depth chart more appealing to the guys who are left and the rest stick. Regardless of quality, we need a certain level of depth at QB. 

jalenwestman

December 31st, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^

But we are not getting Harris or tufele and peppers is going in the 1st round instead of playing for a 8 or 9 win Michigan team. Hoping peters comes out red hot in the spring. Super concerned about oline next year and the secondary.

Some guys really need to step up on the oline next year. Will definitely be a growing year for WR and te to some extent next year.

In Don Brown we trust. I think he will find a way to keep us in every game.

2017 is a growing and character building year, trust the harbaugh plan.

2018 should be special.

burtcomma

January 1st, 2017 at 1:11 AM ^

We have the talent, it needs experience.  No reason for 2017 to be an 8 or 9 win season, Looks at the depth chart above.  Lot of highly rated recruits, some got experience this year, all will be getting experience next year.  Freshmen often make the biggest impact at pure athletic positions like WR's(speed and hands) and DB's, especially since we play man to man.

A redshirt freshmen QB is a recipe for disaster, it will not happen.  All I heard was how great O'Korn was going to be, and we saw how he played against Indiana.   

Hugh Jass

December 31st, 2016 at 4:04 PM ^

Wolverines are 3 years away talent-wise.  They will compete for the playoffs in two years and BE in the playoffs in 3.  They need a slight upgrade in athletic talent and team speed.....that appears to be on the way.  GO BLUE

burtcomma

January 1st, 2017 at 1:21 AM ^

His plan is to win now and in the future, and if our coaches are as good as we keep getting told, they should be able to pick out the superior talent and coach it up to win now.  You never know when a star might pull a hamstring or tear an ACL in any given year, so you have to continue to build depth and starters.