OT'ish? Pop Warner settles concussion lawsuit

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This is just another event in a growing chain of consussion related stories. The Ivy League will practice w/o tackling, NFL settles with retired players. I can't see this going away- it will only intensify. The NCAA has the most at stake in protecting "student ahtletes" who don't get paid and may be damaged for life.

NCAA needs to emulate ivy league IMO and ban practice tackling. Its time.

Bando Calrissian

March 8th, 2016 at 7:33 PM ^

All I know is watching that show on Texas youth football Friday Night Tykes is enough to make me terrified for the brains of the kids being told to throw themselves helmet-first at other kids. Every episode, there's a kid who basically doesn't even know where or who he is after a tackle.

Over the last fifteen years or so we've seen an increase in NCAA teams and the NFL alike equating football with combat, battle, the military, etc., as if these guys are out there going to war to give the ultimate sacrifice. Perhaps that attitude is coming home to roost. 

Muttley

March 8th, 2016 at 8:05 PM ^

to tackle by leading with the facemask into the runner's chest in the Jack Lowther league.

In 1975, leading with the helmet was deemed a a 15 yard penalty by the league, and in place of the head-first technique, we were taught to lead with the shoulder.

I find it hard to fathom that 40 years later, the tykes are still being taught the head-first form.

DOBlue48

March 9th, 2016 at 10:25 AM ^

I agree with you Muttley, that athletes are bigger, faster, stronger.  That alone lends itself to more danger.  I also believe that the newer equipment has contributed to increased danger.  Yes, I said what I meant to say.  Kids feel invinceable in the pads they wear today and so throw their body at things as if they are a missile. 

I only played football at the junior high level and I can tell you none of us were intentionally leading with our heads.  Why, you ask.  Because I might as well have had a fucking bucket on my head.  Any contact, direct or otherwise, hurt like hell.  Took me and my teammates about 5 minutes into the first contact drills that you did everything in your power to keep your head out of the fray. 

I am not suggesting that we return to leather helmets, I am simply stating that new protective gear lends itself to wreckless play which can lead to more injuries. 

Wolfman

March 9th, 2016 at 1:14 AM ^

Having read through the entire thread, as I normally do here, lots of good ideas tossed out imo. Would expect nothing less from this site.

I think perhaps, DenverRob stated best what I believe also, the importance of teaching form tackling, and form tackling does contain protective measures for both the tackler and the tackled, is of far more importance than the absurd idea that  limiting the number of tackles made, if not performed correctly, will lessen the likelihood of injury.  My God, that's just ridiculous. You start off with dummies, making sure players understand the importance of "putting bonnet on it" as I always taught, i.e., making sure your helmet is directed at the football and not on offensive player's head or body and continually build on each step. The protective measures I hint at above include the correct shoulder roll prior to contact to help stablize neck, and like anything else, when taught correctly and through a serious number of repitions, becomes just as much of a habit as watching the midsection of runner, correct positioning, wrapping and lifting, etc.

I was actually very proud when this topic was being discussed just a few weeks ago, one of my former players started a thread on facebook with the headline "This is the way Coach _ _ _ _ _ and my asst. in title only, he was every bit the h.c. I was, Coach _ _ _ _ _ taught us how to tackle.  I was both proud and humbled that so many of my former players - still having a bond today - commented on thread with nothing but positives as to stressing safety above all else.

Many of you, especially those that played at a higher than h.s. level, probably suffered more than the one concussion I did at the h.s. level. I look back at the helmets we used in the late 60s and am thankful that I only suffered one. And as a h.s. qb, that damn concussion came as a result of me throwing a block of all things. Things will happen, it is tackle football, do it hard, clean, and in the safest manner possible. 

 

We are back

March 8th, 2016 at 7:47 PM ^

I'll even go a lil further. I coach football and you have kids who come out and look like all stars during non contact drills but soon as contact starts they are the worse kids on the team. Anyone who coaches will tell you the same. The way I see it even in the NCAA or NFL how would you know if someone has become better?



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Mr Miggle

March 9th, 2016 at 9:41 AM ^

Either that, or they might actually know what they are doing.

Dartmouth is the only Ivy League school that has banned tackling in practice. They did that in 2010. Let's look at their results, In 2009 they went  2-8. They haven't had a losing record since. In 2015 they went 9-1. 

The rest of the Ivy League is now banning tackling during in season practices. Despite most of the lazy reports and comments, they aren't banning it altogether. They may in the future, since they are trying to catch up to a team that does.

 

 

 

 

We are back

March 8th, 2016 at 9:03 PM ^

Don't play! Everyone knows the risk. Funny thing is I was a high level football player but took to sign a minor league contract instead of playing college football. A year later I was playing centerfield ball was hit to right center I was running as fast as I could and dove BAM my face caught the right fielders knee and broke my jaw ,orbital bone, and both cheek bones. Who would ever have thought in a million years that would happen? No one but it did. You can die in a car crash but you still drive.



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DenverRob

March 8th, 2016 at 8:31 PM ^

Cutting tackling in ALL practices is the worst idea ever. It will lead to players not learning how to take a hit and have way more injuries. Why is this you ask? players that do not learn how to take a hit will stop before contact ...

and that will lead to a tremendous amount of injuries.

BornInAA

March 9th, 2016 at 9:04 AM ^

Sorry, he is right. I coached youth football.

Tackling a real player under coach supervision is the only way to get proper form. 

And you don't let them "smash" each other - this is bad form.

Taking tackling drills out of practice is like removing the learner's permit from driving - let's just give them a full license at 16 with no practice - you know they might get into an accident at 15 so let's just cut that part out.

The problem is - bad coaches. They don't teach proper, safe tackling. And some coaches actually encourage huge hits and have a win at all costs attitude. 

 

Tater

March 8th, 2016 at 8:33 PM ^

You "can't ban tackling," but you can take away all of the advantages of hitting hard.  Here are a few simple rule changes that could keep the game from being banned in a few years.

1. Take change of possession for fumbles out of the game.  

2.  Don't allow a receiver to be hit until he has possession.  

3.  Don't ever allow a defensive player to deliver the "second hit:" crashing the player into the ground.  

4.  Start calling unnecessary roughness whenever it happens.  This includes any hits after someone is out of bounds or has scored a touchdown.  It includes any hits on the QB unless the step has already started.  

People would bitch about this at first.  Many would call it the "pussification of football."  Ultimately, though, most of those who bitch would either be defensive players and coaches or couch potatoes who would spend a month in the hospital if they ever sustained the impact of one serious tackle as it is delivered today.

Most of all, concussions and impact injuries would be more like they are in basketball: less often and less severe.

WolverineinSB

March 8th, 2016 at 9:05 PM ^

U just described a game that will have no defense. That sounds a lot like touch football. Every play would be a personal foul. U suggested letting the WR catch the ball. There is no way to time that well especially running at full speed to got get a ton of personal fouls. Safeties would have to pull off and let the guy run by or play so far off that WRs would always be open underneath



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SBo

March 8th, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^

As a current high school football player, the first four contact days of our season were dedicated completely to proper form tackling. It's a new requirement in our district. The coaches did a great job, they genuinely cared, yet there was still an increase in concussions from the last season, throughout the district. Concussions happen in football, the school can ban it if they don't want to pay. Parents and kids are allowed to make choices on this PERSONALLY. This also applies to Pop Warner.

bacon

March 8th, 2016 at 8:52 PM ^

I'm guessing that the increase in concussions is a reporting/awareness increase rather than the tackling training didn't help reduce concussions as it was intended to. Sounds like teaching good tackling technique is a good idea for many reasons.

Drbogue

March 8th, 2016 at 8:15 PM ^

Lawsuits don't go away because there is still money to be had. Not because there is a moral, ethical, or health reason to champion. It won't be long until you see late night ads asking, "if you suffered a concussion as a result of playing college sports, YOU may be entitled to compensation."



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thespacepope

March 8th, 2016 at 8:28 PM ^

I wish i had an upvote for you.

Tackling in football and checking in hockey should be banned until kids reach 18.  Then they can decide for themselves if they want to have CTE.

DOBlue48

March 9th, 2016 at 10:02 AM ^

Your theory sounds nice and gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.  Problem is if you do not properly train young athletes how to properly engage in physical contact until they are as big, as fast, as strong and, in many cases, as filled with testorone as they will be in their entire life you open pandoras box.  Would you turn a 16 year old loose behind the wheel of a race car before they are very well trained at how to control such a machine?  Certainly not.  Young men still playing contact sports at 18 are likely pretty skilled athletes.  Big, fast, strong....Dangerous machines if not properly trained.

I had my son in checking clinics two years before he was going to be allowed to check in  hockey games.  Some of you will ask why.  Some will think I am batshit crazy.  I may just be the latter, but I did this to prepare my son for what was to come.  Good coaches teach how to hit, when to hit and most importantly how to protect yourself.  My son and others he still plays with, I was not the only one doing this, benefitted greatly. 

Contact sports are dangerous.  Simple as that.  They are made less so when those playing are well trained, well coached and well prepared. 

natesezgoblue

March 8th, 2016 at 8:49 PM ^

HS OLB coach here..in youth you have to tackle a lot.  In some sense you have acclimate the players to contact.  Just like you cant swim without being in the water you cant tackle without contact.  With that said I believe in HS and College you can still have a very good tackling without player on player contact.  The amount of training aids and tackling dummies is endless.  I believe i read an article a while back that said during the season the Seahawks didnt have player on player contact.

bacon

March 8th, 2016 at 9:01 PM ^

It will be some time until the data are available that cte is caused by kids playing football. Right now, as far as I know the data are only from ex-NFL players, and often those that committed suicide. That may be related to the cte itself, but it's going to be hard to prove cause and effect. However, regardless of whether football causes cte, football players get concussions and there should be as many steps to minimize those as possible. As preventing concussions becomes more lucrative, more smart minds will focus on the problem and more ideas will come.

SwitchbladeSam

March 8th, 2016 at 9:10 PM ^

The real issue at hand is that Michigan finally has a good coach again and the rest of the NCAA is terrified of Harbaugh. The only way to beat Harbaugh is to get football banned from the NCAA. Well played



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FLwolvfan22

March 8th, 2016 at 9:29 PM ^

You might quickly look at the ulterior motives Not sure where the middle ground between safety and not playing the sport is but I'm sure we'll find out. Are boxing, gymnastics, cheerleading, rugby and mma danderous sports?