OT'ish? Pop Warner settles concussion lawsuit
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http://nypost.com/2016/03/08/pop-warner-football-settles-concussion-law…
This is just another event in a growing chain of consussion related stories. The Ivy League will practice w/o tackling, NFL settles with retired players. I can't see this going away- it will only intensify. The NCAA has the most at stake in protecting "student ahtletes" who don't get paid and may be damaged for life.
NCAA needs to emulate ivy league IMO and ban practice tackling. Its time.
All I know is watching that show on Texas youth football Friday Night Tykes is enough to make me terrified for the brains of the kids being told to throw themselves helmet-first at other kids. Every episode, there's a kid who basically doesn't even know where or who he is after a tackle.
Over the last fifteen years or so we've seen an increase in NCAA teams and the NFL alike equating football with combat, battle, the military, etc., as if these guys are out there going to war to give the ultimate sacrifice. Perhaps that attitude is coming home to roost.
to tackle by leading with the facemask into the runner's chest in the Jack Lowther league.
In 1975, leading with the helmet was deemed a a 15 yard penalty by the league, and in place of the head-first technique, we were taught to lead with the shoulder.
I find it hard to fathom that 40 years later, the tykes are still being taught the head-first form.
The biggest increase in danger between today and yesteryear is the increased speed, size, and stregth of players today due to improved training.
I agree with you Muttley, that athletes are bigger, faster, stronger. That alone lends itself to more danger. I also believe that the newer equipment has contributed to increased danger. Yes, I said what I meant to say. Kids feel invinceable in the pads they wear today and so throw their body at things as if they are a missile.
I only played football at the junior high level and I can tell you none of us were intentionally leading with our heads. Why, you ask. Because I might as well have had a fucking bucket on my head. Any contact, direct or otherwise, hurt like hell. Took me and my teammates about 5 minutes into the first contact drills that you did everything in your power to keep your head out of the fray.
I am not suggesting that we return to leather helmets, I am simply stating that new protective gear lends itself to wreckless play which can lead to more injuries.
The physicality of the game lends itself to that.
The war references says more about our ignorance of war--of which there is no analogous situation in civilian life--than our approach to the game of fooball.
Having read through the entire thread, as I normally do here, lots of good ideas tossed out imo. Would expect nothing less from this site.
I think perhaps, DenverRob stated best what I believe also, the importance of teaching form tackling, and form tackling does contain protective measures for both the tackler and the tackled, is of far more importance than the absurd idea that limiting the number of tackles made, if not performed correctly, will lessen the likelihood of injury. My God, that's just ridiculous. You start off with dummies, making sure players understand the importance of "putting bonnet on it" as I always taught, i.e., making sure your helmet is directed at the football and not on offensive player's head or body and continually build on each step. The protective measures I hint at above include the correct shoulder roll prior to contact to help stablize neck, and like anything else, when taught correctly and through a serious number of repitions, becomes just as much of a habit as watching the midsection of runner, correct positioning, wrapping and lifting, etc.
I was actually very proud when this topic was being discussed just a few weeks ago, one of my former players started a thread on facebook with the headline "This is the way Coach _ _ _ _ _ and my asst. in title only, he was every bit the h.c. I was, Coach _ _ _ _ _ taught us how to tackle. I was both proud and humbled that so many of my former players - still having a bond today - commented on thread with nothing but positives as to stressing safety above all else.
Many of you, especially those that played at a higher than h.s. level, probably suffered more than the one concussion I did at the h.s. level. I look back at the helmets we used in the late 60s and am thankful that I only suffered one. And as a h.s. qb, that damn concussion came as a result of me throwing a block of all things. Things will happen, it is tackle football, do it hard, clean, and in the safest manner possible.
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if that's how they're going to go about it.
Either that, or they might actually know what they are doing.
Dartmouth is the only Ivy League school that has banned tackling in practice. They did that in 2010. Let's look at their results, In 2009 they went 2-8. They haven't had a losing record since. In 2015 they went 9-1.
The rest of the Ivy League is now banning tackling during in season practices. Despite most of the lazy reports and comments, they aren't banning it altogether. They may in the future, since they are trying to catch up to a team that does.
Yeah, you gotta hear football.
CTE for life!
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Cutting tackling in ALL practices is the worst idea ever. It will lead to players not learning how to take a hit and have way more injuries. Why is this you ask? players that do not learn how to take a hit will stop before contact ...
and that will lead to a tremendous amount of injuries.
What empirical evidence do you have to back up your claim?
The worst idea ever is letting children smash into each other in an activity that has been shown empirically to lead to CTE.
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Sorry, he is right. I coached youth football.
Tackling a real player under coach supervision is the only way to get proper form.
And you don't let them "smash" each other - this is bad form.
Taking tackling drills out of practice is like removing the learner's permit from driving - let's just give them a full license at 16 with no practice - you know they might get into an accident at 15 so let's just cut that part out.
The problem is - bad coaches. They don't teach proper, safe tackling. And some coaches actually encourage huge hits and have a win at all costs attitude.
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You "can't ban tackling," but you can take away all of the advantages of hitting hard. Here are a few simple rule changes that could keep the game from being banned in a few years.
1. Take change of possession for fumbles out of the game.
2. Don't allow a receiver to be hit until he has possession.
3. Don't ever allow a defensive player to deliver the "second hit:" crashing the player into the ground.
4. Start calling unnecessary roughness whenever it happens. This includes any hits after someone is out of bounds or has scored a touchdown. It includes any hits on the QB unless the step has already started.
People would bitch about this at first. Many would call it the "pussification of football." Ultimately, though, most of those who bitch would either be defensive players and coaches or couch potatoes who would spend a month in the hospital if they ever sustained the impact of one serious tackle as it is delivered today.
Most of all, concussions and impact injuries would be more like they are in basketball: less often and less severe.
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consisting of a lot of jump balls in which the defense can't do anything except jump as high.
I don't know where to start w/ #1.
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As much fun as this looks it's not really football.
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I wish i had an upvote for you.
Tackling in football and checking in hockey should be banned until kids reach 18. Then they can decide for themselves if they want to have CTE.
I'm pretty sure that the original topic was Pop Warner (kids) football.
Also, the reported incidents of CTE are small just like Shane Morris never had a concussion but then actually did.
Researchers are only now finding ways to detect it in living subjects. When that can be done, we will have some idea of how common it is.
Your theory sounds nice and gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Problem is if you do not properly train young athletes how to properly engage in physical contact until they are as big, as fast, as strong and, in many cases, as filled with testorone as they will be in their entire life you open pandoras box. Would you turn a 16 year old loose behind the wheel of a race car before they are very well trained at how to control such a machine? Certainly not. Young men still playing contact sports at 18 are likely pretty skilled athletes. Big, fast, strong....Dangerous machines if not properly trained.
I had my son in checking clinics two years before he was going to be allowed to check in hockey games. Some of you will ask why. Some will think I am batshit crazy. I may just be the latter, but I did this to prepare my son for what was to come. Good coaches teach how to hit, when to hit and most importantly how to protect yourself. My son and others he still plays with, I was not the only one doing this, benefitted greatly.
Contact sports are dangerous. Simple as that. They are made less so when those playing are well trained, well coached and well prepared.
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Or maybe we should not make children smash into each other for parental entertainment.
Kids don't know any better. If adults want to do it, fine let them do it.
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HS OLB coach here..in youth you have to tackle a lot. In some sense you have acclimate the players to contact. Just like you cant swim without being in the water you cant tackle without contact. With that said I believe in HS and College you can still have a very good tackling without player on player contact. The amount of training aids and tackling dummies is endless. I believe i read an article a while back that said during the season the Seahawks didnt have player on player contact.
that give (imperfect) metrics about the individual and cumulative forces encountered.
Maybe after a certain amount a player "fouls out" like in basketball.
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You might quickly look at the ulterior motives Not sure where the middle ground between safety and not playing the sport is but I'm sure we'll find out. Are boxing, gymnastics, cheerleading, rugby and mma danderous sports?
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