OSU/MSU Coaching Futures Discussion

Submitted by EconClassof14 on July 22nd, 2017 at 12:10 PM

The cited podcast is a month old and no longer exists, but I thought it warranted discussion in our slow period. 

 
Feldman and Mandel recently discussed their expectations for how much longer Meyer will coach at OSU. Meyer is currently 53. Mandel expects Meyer to coach another few years until around 2022. Feldman said he "doesn't see Mayer coaching past 56 and certainly not to 60". While their statements are speculative, they did have insight on Stoops stepping down early. The Harbaugh-Meyer battles may not last as long as I expected. 
 
Side note, which scenario do you think would be best for MSU to fade into oblivion?
   A) A disaster of a season this year, 2-3 wins. Fire Dantonio and they start fresh with  Narduzzi or a wildcard upstart coach.
  B) 5-6 wins this year, retain Dantonio (age 61) and give him a few years to try and      stabilize the program
 
 

Comments

Kevin13

July 24th, 2017 at 6:02 PM ^

I really think this is his last stop as a coach. I think he will be the HC at Michigan for at least 15 years total. At that time he will be near the top of all time wins at UM and will have at least 3 NC's. They will look to put a statue of him up next to Bo and he will definitely be a legend at UM forever.

When it comes to Meyer, I don't think he will be around a whole lot longer. He's had a great run and if he falters at all, like a couple of straight losses to UM and ending in a 3-4 loss season he will step down.

DonAZ

July 22nd, 2017 at 12:54 PM ^

"Would Urban go coach ND for a few years if they fire Kelly this season?"

If memory serves, his contract with OSU does provide for his release for the ND job.  I believe I read that somewhere.

I can't see why he'd do that.  Yeah, if he won an NC at Notre Dame that'd be his fourth at three different schools, and that puts him in pretty elite circles.  But man ... Notre Dame, and I'm not sure in this day and age the "Notre Dame cachet" is quite so strong.  It would be a risky move.

But who knows ... stranger things have happened.

FatGuyTouchdown

July 22nd, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^

argument to be made that Ohio State is the best all around job in college football. 

Alabama is amazing, but there's so much pressure.

Texas is a top one, but the Texas politics can be too much and Texas is under seige recruiting wise.

Michigan is obviously top notch, but the academics will always narrow the recruiting pool a little more than other top notch jobs.

I mean, they're in a talent rich state without any main instate competition, they have very good academics, but they're not elite enough that Meyer is going to turn down a 5* recruit because they can't get in. Passionate fans, great history. I think USC may be a better all around job, but Ohio State is close. 

TrueBlue2003

July 24th, 2017 at 12:59 AM ^

Any pressure that Saban has, he created himself by raising expectations, but has probably also bought himself such a massive leash such that he might not have much pressure anyway.

Amazing how quickly everyone forgets how mediocre Alabama was before he arrived.  They only had 2 seasons with less than 5 losses in the 11 (!!) seasons under DuBose, Franchione and Shula in the pre-Saban years.  And those two seasons they had 3 losses each.

snarling wolverine

July 23rd, 2017 at 5:36 PM ^

OSU was relatively down at that time. Bruce's last few years weren't too good and he didn't leave Cooper that much to work with. Cooper upgraded their talent and eventually was beating everyone but Michigan.

Bama fired some guys quickly in the decade before Saban, but it was due to NCAA violations and not on-field performance, IIRC.

MGoStrength

July 22nd, 2017 at 1:33 PM ^

I'm not sure in this day and age the "Notre Dame cachet" is quite so strong.

I don't think ND has quite the "cachet" that OSU does, but if Kelley can continue to recruit well after a 4-8 season, I can't imagine Meyer would have any trouble. ND has still managed to put together classes in the 10-15 range of overall class rankings the past 5 years (247). While I agree it would be a risky move because they won't quite recruit at the same clip OSU does, it's not as though Meyer would struggle there.

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

No, but would he win as much there as at OSU? Also no. Would he win as much there as OSU did after he left? Probably not. It's hard to see the appeal for Meyer in looking up at the team he left..

The only way I see him at ND is after a two step process like his move from UF to OSU. 

Gulo Gulo Luscus

July 22nd, 2017 at 3:52 PM ^

A title at ND would "put him pretty elite circles?" He's already only one of four to do it at multiple top-level schools (Saban, Howard Jones, Pop Warner) I don't think he's so good to just wave a wand and pull a NC into South Bend, but he wouldn't be in elite company if he did. He'd be standing alone.

Scarlatina

July 22nd, 2017 at 11:43 PM ^

I think you are remember a passage from Urban Meyer's biography by Buddy Martin in 2008.

In the passage, Urban stated that he gave his wife, Shelley, the power to veto any job offer he recieved except for three "dream jobs:" Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame. Urban's Utah contract was the only one that had those 3 programs in it with an "escape clause."

Oregon Wolverine

July 23rd, 2017 at 3:58 AM ^

Meyer took over a program stocked with talent, money and a recent strong winning tradition and kept the ship on target. Fickel's year at the helm was an anomaly. Oh yeah, Bucky doesn't have much in the way of academic or conduct standards as long as they beat TSUN.

ND is disfunctional, mediocre talent, recent mediocrity, and an alumni base that is insane. And academic standards which means it doesn't always matter the number of stars.

Plus So Bend is nothing special, but Columbus, I hate to admit it, has the short north, it's Italian village (former red light district), and Germantown, which is pretty nice.

Stay in Columbus and be a legend, or go to So Bend and need to work harder than Harbaugh to rebuild.

No way does coach ND w/his health issues.

corundum

July 22nd, 2017 at 12:30 PM ^

Probably not what the board wants to hear, but I'm pretty sure Urban coaches another ten years so far as nothing crazy happens. He's a lot like Harbaugh in that he lives, breathes, and dreams football. The dude is seriously dedicated to coaching, probably on a neurotic level.

FauxMo

July 22nd, 2017 at 12:36 PM ^

I think your post contains the seeds of how he may NOT be around long. People that operate that frenetically almost always burn out, leading to mental health or physical issues. To avoid this, he would need to operate at less than 100%, which would lead to sub-par results. I see one or the other happening - he burns out and leaves, or he slows down and OSU underperforms (at least relative to the recent past).

FauxMo

July 22nd, 2017 at 12:50 PM ^

No evidence of burning out, at least yet. Meyer has showed that when things start getting really tough, he wilts and snaps. In other words, I think Harbaugh is built for functioning at this level, and Meyer has shown he may not be.  

DonAZ

July 22nd, 2017 at 1:00 PM ^

I know there are rumors of his Florida exit being due to a coed kerfuffle.  

My opinion is the rise of Alabama, coupled with the self-imposed pressure to add to the two NCs already achieved at Florida, proved too much.  Meyer claims he has adjusted his head to such things.  Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't.

Harbaugh strikes me as the kind of person who puts disappointment into a box and shoves it out of sight.  Then he moves on.  That's a remarkable thing to possess.

Stringer Bell

July 22nd, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^

At OSU it's not self-imposed pressure.  There were OSU fans calling for Meyer's head after he lost at home to MSU two years ago.  If he doesn't win another national title soon, hell if he doesn't win another Big Ten title soon, that moronic fanbase will start calling for his head again.

alum96

July 22nd, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

So when there was a crucial period in say the biggest game of the year in Columbus and the guy throws a clipboard and draws a penalty on his team - that was not snapping.  But Urban snaps at any opportunity.

Got it.

I hear a lot of wishful thinking on this thread.

 

BeatIt

July 24th, 2017 at 5:55 PM ^

driving himself to death at Florida. The 2nd Natty the gators won 2008 I think, while the team was celebrating he was texting recruits. He wasn't even taking time to enjoy his success. From all reports he has adjusted his life in that when it's time to shut down he shuts down. Plus I think with coaches like Schiano, Larry Johnson and now Kevin Wilson he delegates a lot more than he did earlier in his career. This is Meyer's last hurrah.

MGoStrength

July 22nd, 2017 at 1:43 PM ^

I get the sense Meyer is driven to excel at coaching because he feels a sense of pressure because he desperately wants to win.  I imagine that Harbaugh intreprets it a little differently. While they both share the desire to win really badly I get the sense that Meyer is driven by stress and arrogance, which may be actually fear of failure underneath.  Harbaugh on the other hand is really different in that he trurely just loves to do it.  He seems to love to compete as much as he loves to win and is willing to fail for the opportunity to compete.  Harbaugh would do it all in his free time if he could and doesn't seem to be stressed out by the whole thing in the way Meyer does.  

 

While they both seem to hate losing, Meyer only seems to like winning and might intrepret the process of what it takes to win as stressful whereas Harbaugh also loves winning, but loves the preperation process just as much.  What other guy would would go do all these camps, climb tress and do sleepovers while recruiting, and genuienly enjoy coaching, while playing with the guys with his shirt off?

 

Both are special coaches, but Meyer seems more "normal" and Harbaugh really seems like a bit of a genius in the sense that he just intreprets life and how he percieves the world differently than most people.  Harbaugh seems better able to truely not care about what others think, which allows him to be less stressed out by outside pressures.

 

That's my hot take.

gruden

July 22nd, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^

I agree.  Meyer seems very driven to win, but seems hyper-serious, like Saban.  They seem constantly enveloped in stress.

Harbaugh seems driven to win and compete, but the difference is, he seems like he's really enjoying himself and having a great time.  He loves football, he loves Michigan, and it all seems like a great creative outlet for him.  He's like a kid with lots of interesting toys. 

You make a good point about the satellite camps.  Yeah, it certainly helps with recruiting, but Harbaugh is the kind of guy that would do it even if it wasn't, just to help the game and the kids.  He seems more motivated by love for the game than simply a drive to win.  He does both.