OSU Update: Additional Allegations, LOIC Possible (Updated)
NCAA:
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I also mentioned in my email to you that no additional allegations had been made by the staff. Please note that since that email, an amended notice of allegations containing one additional violation related to the first allegation was issued to the involved parties.
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On Monday, the enforcement staff conducted another call with institutional officials and determined that it is possible to move forward with the August 12 hearing while acknowledging the additional review is necessary. At this point in the inquiry, the available evidence does not warrant additional allegations; however, the investigation remains open. As a result, the staff and institution agreed not to postpone the currently scheduled hearing date of August 12 while we finalize the investigation of the remaining open issues. The institution understands and agrees that additional allegations may result from the ongoing inquiry and that the violations set forth in the current notice of allegations may form the partial basis for a failure to monitor of lack of institutional control when viewed in light of any additional violations. The institution also understands that if new violations are discovered, a second hearing may be necessary.
[...] the continuing investigation could potentially lead to additional allegations involving Mr. Tressel.
Popular opinion on twitter seems to be that the additional allegation explicitely mentioned in the letter is the addition of Dorian Bell to the list of players wrongdoing. However, the letter makes it clear that this additional violation is not necessarily exhaustive of the potential additional allegations.
But you can't have one without the other. Gene Smith's spin:
We are aware of a letter that the NCAA enforcement staff sent to the Committee on Infractions nearly a month ago detailing the status of this case. The NCAA staff concluded that the evidence at this time does not warrant additional allegations and that our joint review of any remaining items did not necessitate a delay to today’s hearing. We now look forward to working together so that we can conclude this follow-up work as quickly as possible.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:32 PM ^
That says Monday and todays Friday, thats not much of an update from the three other threads is it?
August 12th, 2011 at 1:35 PM ^
This is the letter that has been discussed so much since yesterday. Big news.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^
So, this is the letter that OSU called procedural? Priceless! Even their own fans will call for Smith's head.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^
August 12th, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^
What in...you know, I could stare at this for hours creating back stories. Obviously, wrestling, I know, but there could be so much more going on here...
August 12th, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^
C...O...N...spiracy!!
August 12th, 2011 at 3:07 PM ^
Not sure why someone negged you.. i totally read this in the seinfeld tune... C O stanza! Which I think is actuall the by mennen tune. whatever, CLASSIC episode.
August 12th, 2011 at 7:02 PM ^
You stole my clock?
August 12th, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^
As far as I (and twitter) can see, this second letter came to light a matter of minutes ago.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:37 PM ^
Note the source.... It actually exists. NCAA still investigating. The lies keep rolling in from the ohio mental warfare unit...
August 12th, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^
. . .waitaminute! If the NCAA says this . . . then maybe ESPN isn't just out to get tsio, and . . .
I love the "ohio mental warfare unit."
August 12th, 2011 at 1:37 PM ^
With all the different opinions, rumors and "facts" floating about I actually found this really helpful. Especially considering it's coming directly from the NCAA and not ESPN, Dispatch etc.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:47 PM ^
No. Check out the linked PDF. It's an intra-NCAA communication CC'ed to OSU and Tressel's attorney. They're discussing a timeline beginning June 28 up to and through the date of the letter (July 13). Sounds to me like it can be summarized as follows:
-The August 12 hearing can remain on schedule but the investigation continues. LOIC and/or FTM are possible penalties based on the current violations...when those violations are viewed in light of additional allegations.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^
I think you got it exactly right.
Gene Smith was correct in calling it "procedural," inasmuch as everybody was deciding whether or not to go ahead with the hearing that occurred today. And everybody agreed to do that. And the mention of LOIC was in the manner of saying, Now you understand that this is an offense for which the punishment may be as much as... And you still agree to go ahead with the meeting, right?
btw, per 11W repost of a Ken Gordon (Dispatch) Tweet... at least some people are saying that with regard to this latest news, there is smoke but no fire.
[Edit.]- Oops. I see the Ken Gordon info was posted in more detail further down in this thread.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:34 PM ^
The NCAA was prepared to slap tsio on the wrist even after everything that has happened. IMO theres no way whatever else they dig up could lead to failure to monitor or loic. Put it this way, Tressel was a repeat offender at multiple schools and on multiple occasions at tsio. And tsio was technically still on probation when some of these things happened and STILL NO DEATH PENALTY. dont count on much guys as much as they deserve it.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:38 PM ^
I don't think anyone is expecting the death penalty. I think we are all hoping for loss of scholorships and a similar fate of the the Michigan basketball program since it is a similar quid pro quo situation.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^
...except that in our case, Chris Webber and Ed Martin added about 4 zeroes to the amounts in question.
August 12th, 2011 at 3:12 PM ^
Except in thier case they are repeat offenders who let this go on for a decade.
August 12th, 2011 at 3:54 PM ^
was a troubled kid. St. Tressel was just trying to help him.
August 12th, 2011 at 4:34 PM ^
MIchigan's players took more money apiece, but a lot more of Ohio's players took illegal benefits. It's at least equal.
Besides, we have no idea how much TP really took.
August 12th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^
That'd almost be somewhere close to correct except that the OSU case is a big deal because their holier-than-thou coach knew about it, covered it up, lied about it, lied about it again and then lied about it some more. You won't find a lot of people who find the kids' actions to be so terrible; it's the actions of the adults at OSU that make it a big deal.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:39 PM ^
I mean, I get the whole "har har rival death penalty LOL" aspect of it, but there is no way that OSU should get the death penalty. SMU, the only school that got it, systematically paid players on a weekly basis, got caught, then continued to do it. Not even a close comparison.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:48 PM ^
The rumor in Columbus is that players have still been selling/trading their stuff and autographs even after all this has hit the fan. Again, Common Man and Torg on 97.1 yesterday said that they know who the local memorabilia guys are and they will release their names on the air if they don't stop. I guess the main difference with tosu and smu is that the community is paying the players and not the school. But if the school knows, which we'll see in the coming weeks/months, and doesn't act on the information is there really a difference?
If you think about it, the players can probably make more money for their stuff now because supply is down. Thanks NCAA investigation.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^
Wow, if true, how stupid to you have to be to keep doing this stuff while the NCAA is still investigating? It's truly mind bottling.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
Louis Bullock
August 12th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^
Yeah. You know when things are so crazy, you get your thoughts trapped, like in a bottle.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^
hoo, boy. This is like shaking the presents under the tree and trying to guess what's inside. Hopefully we get the nintendo 64 and not a box full of sweaters.
August 12th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^
and how about this for tsio if they get what they deserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7FKaLYLOug
August 12th, 2011 at 2:27 PM ^
To me this just seems like the radio guys trying to gain publicity and listeners. I don't buy that they know about this and are threatening to name names if they don't stop. I would be happy to be proven wrong but I am guessing this is a whole lot of nothing.
August 12th, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^
It's hard to tell with these guys. There's a lot of innuendo on their show about stories and sources and then a few days later something comes out and they act like that was what they were talking about. They are either really connected to somebody on the inside at tosu that they can't mention or they are full of crap. I can't be objective because I want them to be right about the bad things.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:41 PM ^
There is no possible way they were ever going to get the death penalty. It's not even on the table as far as punishments are concerned, regardless of what they did.
August 12th, 2011 at 7:55 PM ^
I don't want them to get the death penalty. I just want them to have to live under the same limits we have to and not be "The U" North.
Oh, and a 3 season bowl ban and 10 scholie reductions per year, just to make up for the past 7 years.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:38 PM ^
I haven't really seen anything that has inspired confidence in the NCAA to actually put the hammer down on OSU, and barring someone on the inside at OSU really opening up in a completely conclusive manner, I don't see this changing.
It sucks, but just doesn't seem like OSU will really get punished based on everything we have seen. I am certainly hopeful that I am wrong, but not holding my breath.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:40 PM ^
Until something actually happens.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
Welcome to enlightenment, my son. Kick back, relax, and enjoy the show.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:40 PM ^
SI's anonymous source told espn that he will be meeting with the NCAA and Bob Holtzman said that this is clearly not over that the investigation is still open and there is potential for another of these meetings in the future.
August 12th, 2011 at 4:25 PM ^
Dish out the pain.
No bowls
Loss of scholarships
No money
August 12th, 2011 at 1:41 PM ^
But the letter is dated from a month ago?
August 12th, 2011 at 1:41 PM ^
Wait, letter is from July 13th. When did everyone come out and say investigation over? Wasn't it after that point in time? Could this be old news that is currently meanless/overruled by newer statements?
August 12th, 2011 at 1:44 PM ^
I see no reason to think that this letter is no longer pertinent, especially given Smith's response thereto in today's release.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:45 PM ^
The institution understands and agrees that additional allegations may result from the ongoing inquiry and that the violations set forth in the current notice of allegations may form the partial basis for a failure to monitor of lack of institutional control when viewed in light of any additional violations
I don't expect much from teh NCAA, but it's good to know that OSU won't be sitting on a "case closed" situation, especially with the most damaging allegations possibly still on the table pending further investigation. Whether the NCAA has the balls to hammer them or not, they will be taking this uncertainty with them after August 12th, and possibly well into the football season.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:45 PM ^
kgdispatch Ken Gordon
So ESPN was correct there was a letter sent. Correct that case remains open. But all indications are nothing new will come of it.
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kgdispatch Ken Gordon
Sounds as if additional violation NCAA refers to is nothing OSU is worried about. Old news, just not included in original allegations.
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LoriSchmidt Lori Schmidt
RT @rustymillerap AD Gene Smith: NCAA says evidence does not warrant additional allegations against #OhioState.
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JeffSvoboda Jeff Svoboda
by Buckeye_Sports
The way I'm reading this NCAA letter to COI on July 13, the "additional violation related to first allegation" was the addition of player H
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JeffSvoboda Jeff Svoboda
by The_BBC
That player (reported to be Dorian Bell) received 12 tattoos and was added to NOA, included in OSU response to NCAA. AKA, this nothing new.
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marcushartman Marcus Hartman
by The_BBC
The way we are reading this: amendment covers "new allegation" that was extra player mentioned in case summary last month
17 minutes ago
971thefan 97.1 The Fan
Ohio State releases statement on hearing today with NCAA Committee on Infractions: bit.ly/nl3JqR
BCastOZone Brandon Castel
Letter was NOT sent to #OhioState. Went directly from Director of Enforcement to Director of Committee on Infractions.
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BCastOZone Brandon Castel
Here is a full copy of letter on July 13 on status of NCAA investigation, referencing one additional allegation. bit.ly/rfZ8z1
26 minutes ago
ramzyn Ramzy Nasrallah
by The_BBC
Boise State's COI hearing took 13 hours. Tennessee's took 11. USC's took almost three days. Ohio State's was over by lunch. #B1GSPEED
August 12th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
Bummer
Was really hoping for some more punishment so I could laugh some more.
August 12th, 2011 at 1:45 PM ^