OSU's Latest Commitment
Will OSU be stealing all the Vinopals from now on? I'm curious to hear what the pundits are saying about this. The Zona offer is decent. But he doesn't seem like a Curtis Grant.
FYI - He's a 3 star on Rivals and ESPN.
It's not that he's a bad player, but when OSU is struggling on the recruiting trail, you wonder if Fickell is concerned about the numbers (despite the fact that OSU already has low scholarship numbers to begin with this year).
The Vrabel effect in full force.
...to this kid.
I refuse to play delusional Bucknuts game of "We didn't recruit him, so he is garbage". Each team needs to pick players fitting their system, and if OSU feels this is the right kid, great.
But as far as your post.....yep.
Ohio State has frequently taken apparently fringe talent - Lauranitis, Malcom Jenkins, Brian Hartline, Chimdi Chekwa, Dexter Larrimore, Dane Sanzenbacher. They've managed to make something of quite a few. Maybe with Tress not around, that won't be the case any longer?
If this guy ends up destroying us, I'm blaming the OP
While you're right that OSU has done a pretty good job at making 3-stars solid starters and even all-Big Ten players, this is not the norm and I'm sure not what OSU would prefer to do. And for every 3-star LB that OSU has turned into James Laurinitis, I'm sure they've had many more who have turned into guys they don't want starting. As someone said above, he's not Curtis Grant.
He might turn out to be better than Curtis Grant, but I'd rather see OSU signing more Luke Robertses and fewer Curtis Grants.
It's one 3-star kid. They take a few every year. This means nothing.
It's one more three star. Along with the four they had before today and the one they added since. Also there's that two star in there too. Right now, OSU has 11 commits, four four stars, six three stars and one two star. The two three stars they added today are very low three stars with no offers better than zona and purdue. Typical buckeye recruiting this is not.
So if OSU wrote a mocking post individually for Ben Braden, Caleb Stacey, Mario Ojemudia, AJ Williams, Alan Gant, Anthony Standifer, Devin Funchess, Kaleb Ringer, Matt Godin, and Jeremy Clark, that would make sense?
Last year, OSU took 14 sub 4-star players in a 25 man class.
The prior year 11 sub 4-stars in a 19 man class
This year is "incomplete", but it stands as 63.6% sub 4-stars (it should be said that 1 of these, Jacoby Boren, would be taken any year, given the last name)
The previous 2 years, 57%. It's not that big a difference, given the incompleteness of the class.
Ohio State has taken fringe talent and developed them - like all schools, but your examples to compare to Luke Roberts aren't great...
All of these players have at least some respect from either Scout or Rivals, while Luke Roberts doesn't have any respect from rivals or scout.
Lauranitis - 3 star Rivals 28th best LB
Malcom Jenkins - Scout 3 star 28th safety, VaTech offer
Brian Hartline - Scout 4 star, Rivals 36th best WR
Chimdi Chekwa - Best comparison with a position ranking in the 40s, Rivals 3 star GaTech, Clemson, Mississippi, South Carolina offers
Dexter Larrimore - 3 star Michigan offer, Rivals - 5th best player in Ohio
Dane Sanzenbacher - Scout 4 star
Luke Roberts is NR at his positon by both Scout and Rivals - the only ranking Luke Roberts has is 57th best in Ohio from Rivals. None of your examples compare to "fringe" in regards to Luke Roberts being "fringe".
You never know what coaches see. Hell, how did the Patrick Omameh offer look on paper?
At the same time, I will be veeeeeery interested in the response from Buckeye Nation. I'm guessing two parts OMG 2-STAR WTF and one part I'D RATHER HAVE HIM THAN KYLE KALIS DERP DERP.
His point is that Omameh was a 2-star. Just like Carvin Johnson, and a litany of Buckeyes I can name (and did!) that made All-Big 10 in the past few years.
When people were pointing out that Hart, Braylon, and others were 3 stars and overachieved so maybe some of Rod's 3 stars could as well - you seemed pretty stuck on the point that with the law of averages a 5 star typically will be more successful than a 4 star and a 4 star typically more successful than a 3 star and so on...
Now you seem to be taking the opposite approach?
Ohio State doesn't have a bad class forming and their 3 stars may turn into All-Americans, but the turmoil is certainly hurting their recruiting efforts.
...don't talk about ratings when it is their OWN players.
......for the folks at Bucknuts have barely mastered basic forms of communication above and beyond the primal scream and grunting, and now you want them to deal with numerals? Your standards are high, sir.....
It seems that fans of teams who do not get highly rated players always say that recruiting rankings don't matter. Every thread I read on other sites from Sparty always say that they don't care about ratings.
It is strange how you never see teams in the top 20 recruiting-wise never say that.
Pretty sure you can look back at our site and find people saying the same things the past few years.
There has been countless threads on it, but the consensus on this site is that recruiting rankings actually do matter and are a pretty good indicator of how good a recruit is going to be. There are always exceptions to this rule.
No one in the scouting world has seen his film according to bucknuts posters, which makes no sense because if no one had seen his film he would not be rated.
All those points and you offer this, really? JUST REALLY?
What will Cincinnati do now that OSU has invaded their recruiting property?
More like: What will OU do now that OSU has invaded their territory ;*)? Cincy is the other direction, but OU actually has an extension campus in Lancaster. And Lancaster plays in the same conference with other central Ohio teams like the Pickerington schools, so it's hardly much of an invasion.
I don't think he meant territory geographically, I think he meant Cinci territory to mean indistinguishable 3-star recruits.
Thanks...and it looks like Pick North will be adding another one in the same category tomorrow per local reports (OG Elflein). These two programs finished just out of making the playoffs last year; decent teams but not really stellar (Lanacaster 7-3, Pick North 6-4).
Hate to say it, but Dantonio has also had some success with apparently fringe players.
"...Dantonio has also had some success with apparently fringe players
."I assume you meant something like "not in prison yet, but on the fringe". I may have to use the "insightful" mod for the first time.
Those are true buckeyes who are loyal fans and they'd take them over Kalis or Strobel ... or something like that...
I refuse to lower to their double standard, but if they rather pick up 2*s than 5* well, that's fine by me <:o)
Arizona offered him? That's a good school...
taking no names, nondescript recruits who commit on the spot b/c they never thought they'd get an O$U offer, ever since Tressel was fired. I think it is b/c they don't want the pr of cde-commits when penalties w/ bowl bans come down. these kids are so happy to play for the Nuts that they would not think of de-committing. Not even RRod while @ WVU would have offered this kid. Heck even MOO-U did NOT, despite him wanting an offer from them. Of Course, they are "going National" this year (Ha Ha).
...Buckeye recruits the better, IME. I don't want karma kicking Michigan in the ass three or four years down the line.
Too much is made of this physical rating. Having talented and skillful players is very important. But like rough diamonds, there is a lot of polishing which needs to be done before you have a real star. Talent and skill often means physical tools AND a lot of hard work. At each level (high school - college - pro) there are players who won't do the other stuff after the "AND" and so plateau or drop out.
Remember that we didn't actively recruit Tom Brady until he and his dad pushed around a tape of him. He is a great example - talent and ability, but his greatest "skill" was the willingness to work at being better. Another example, Charles Woodson - a great prospect, but even he was made better with great coaching. Finally, look at Mike Hart - on paper he wouldn't have a chance of beating out any of the other backs signed during his year or later, yet he's the ALL time rushing leader. He was smaller and slower than the other backs who looked like the ideal prototype RB - yet they couldn't displace him. He rarely fumbled and deep down he wanted it more. If more players had his heart and determination they'd be all-americans and no. 1 draft choices.
We need physical talent AND good coaching & development AND hope that the kid has character and heart to appreciate that he can get better and reach his full potential here.
The annual pre-football season Wolverine magazine came out and if you read the review of the 2006 class you'll see a lot of highly touted players who didn't make it here (and not due to injuries) and if they transfered, many didn't even stay in football.
I think this should be marked as "OT".
Glad to help :)
just when you think you've seen it all.....
"Young man, there's no need to feel down....oh, wait...."
I actually think it's pretty cool that they did it.
I cant remember how many times I saw buckeye fans saying things like they can't trust kalis and he has no soul because of his redhair, and the first commit since kalis just happens to be a redhead.
but I had to laugh when I looked on rivals and saw that he lacked a Ball State offer.
they just took a 3* guard, and from the comments there are alot of buckeye fans who might be starting to realize that the recruiting effort is not so great as they predicted it was going to be. The "we want players who want to be buckeyes" thing is getting pretty old to them and it only took 2 low ranking recruits.
I know it was only recently, but they offered this kid and not Bolden or Ringer? Seems a little bit odd to me. That's what shocks me more than anything. If a guy fits then he fits, but when you had players who were interested and who are amongst the top talent in the state, how do you let yourself miss out on them?
This Roberts kid...even nationally recruiting Michigan State didn't offer him. I know I come off as upset (for some reason), but I'm just confused by this because it goes against rational thinking. If this is a signal that the talent gap is going to start going our way, then so be it. I will thoroughly enjoy it.
Bucknuts also has a story about Pat Elflein comitting tomorrow. He received an offer within the past week and is apparently visiting OSU tomorrow to commit in person. He's a conscensus 3* player from Scout, Rivals, 24/7. His more notable offers are Notre Dame, MSU, Tennesee, Pitt. and Illinois.
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Dorian Bell, and Mike D'Andrea
and obviously it is connected to how successful future football seasons will be.
But I'm disturbed at how quickly so many Michigan fans are adopting an arrogant attitude, almost like we're in the middle of a winning streak, when all we're having is offseason recruiting success for one partial recruiting season.
Let's hold off on the cockiness until we see if Michigan can actually win at home vs. Ohio State for the first time since 2003.