OL's experience in BIG
ESPN has a nice article on the ranking OL in the BIG based on their experience. Here is a short list
3. Indiana: 130 career starts
4. Minnesota: 129
19. Northwestern: 100
22. Rutgers: 99
23. Illinois: 96
46. Wisconsin: 74
66. Iowa: 62
T-68. Maryland: 61
T-68: Michigan State: 61
107. Michigan: 37
116. Nebraska: 32
117. Purdue: 31
126. Ohio State: 21
127. Penn State: 20
Similar to us, our three main competitors do not have a lot of experience on the OL either.
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Edit: link is not behind paywall
This means Indiana is going to win the B1G
The Hoosier OL coach is former UM OL coach Greg Frey, and he's done a nice job down there.
and he's done a nice job down there.
Thats what she said.
Not to you.
Those damned Freys are everywhere.
I had to upvote you for your username. Pulaski does not generally get enough recognition for his work during the revolution. I wanted to name my son Casimir if I'd had one (two girls though).
App. St. #1. Repeats: "not nervous" to self while rocking back an forth...
Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
Explain, please.
Dave Brandon thought it would make up for allowing MSU and OSU to be away games in the same year.
other than the fact that Appy St. was scheduled before the B1G screwed up the scheduling.
that one went right over your little penguin head.
Dave Brandon is a genius. He took a look back and found the point in time where the rift began. He figures that we can only right this ship by in a funky way playing them again. This was his only way of doing so, because time travel isn't sanctioned yet.
It started before that with the Ohio game of 06'. Win that and we could have been the national champions which would have changed a lot of things in the past 6 years.
I disagree. The reason Florida dominated that game was because their D line just obliterated OSU's offensive ilne. I think we would have mitigated the pressure much more successfully. IMO, it would have looked very much like the Capital One Bowl.
The UF-OSU and UM-USC game highlighted the smoke-and-mirrors of B1G football. I'm not sure the league has recovered from that year.
a psychologically wounded Michigan took care of business againt largely the same Florida team the very next year. I think the three teams, Michigan, OSU, and Florida were a coin flip difference in 2006.
Florida was not the same team the next year. There's a big difference between the clear-cut national champion and a 4-loss team (what they were in 2007).
That #1 vs. #2 game was great, but both teams got clobbered the following game. I imagine that same would have happened had we played Florida and OSU played USC.
EDIT: I looked up your claim that the 2007 Florida team was basically the same team. After their 2006 BCS title, Florida had 9(!) guys drafted in the 2007 draft, including 2 first rounders. They lost 7 starters from their D to the league. So, no, not the same team. They had more players drafted than any other school.
as monumental as so many have made it out to be. We would actually have won it decisively had Mike Hart been the Mike Hart he had been the previous three years and 12 games. But we did so because we were far better than our record indicated and our talent indicated we should have operated with a far more aggressive offene the entire season. The yards we racked up in that game support both claims as to FL being far weaker than the preceeding year and us having offensive talent that should have been used much differently throughout the entire campaign.
In the Bowl games Fl was far superior than OSU that season but OSU, like us actually matched up well against USC. Unlike '04 where they simply possessed talent that allowed them to do things defensively forcing Jake Long to say, "They threw things at us that frankly we had never seen before." They didn't have this same level of talent in '07. But they still outcoached us on the other side of the ball with one minor adjustment. They moved Booty out of harms way with the installation of nothing more that simly rolling him out of harm's way during the second half, something we never adjuted to, and I have no reason why such was the case, but it happened and we were schooled in both matchups, the last one needlessly.
We won because Lloyd went balls out with the offense. That was an offensive gameplan that had never been seen before. Wide open, spread, power, it had it all.
Hstorically we haven't adjusted well on defense. That game plan arrogance has cost us several games, including 2006 OSU.
OSU got smoked by Florida because they tried to match them speed for speed. OSU really only played power football for one series, during that series they scored a TD and made it look simple. IMO, that was their downfall. Michigan would have been giving them the three yards and a cloud of dust treatment. Then of course going over top once they've brought the defense closer to stop the run.
Seriously. This cannot even be real life. But thank goodness the defense should be pretty decent this year.. I'm more worried about a new offensive system in the first game and putting points on the board.
Going on blind faith here, hoping for the best.
While Sparty doesn't have "a lot" of experience, I wouldn't say the experience level is similar to UM's. Did they include games played and do you know if the Bama transfer is included in OH's numbers?
Count me in the camp of people who place the blame for this squarely on RR.
if you add 5 starters times 13 games to Michigan's total it would place them top 20.
If we are being reasonable we should assume 14 games- that seems the most plausible scenario.
Meant top 3 in the Big Ten.
It's based on games started and not years.
BTW the link isn't a paywalled link.
Not exactly sure whom you are referring to, but MSU has significantly more experience.
Lindsay only had four starts at 'Bama, so those OSU numbers might be right.
I'm guessing Penn State is our third comparison? God willing, the crappy O-Line bug hits them this year and costs them dearly. They have good RBs and TEs, so if the OL can make holes and give Hackenberg time, they could be pretty good.
They do have pretty good TEs though. James is pretty good and I'd expect Breneman to do some pretty good things this year. But, you're right that the WR talent doesn't look great.
for 5 OL players that translates to less than 1/2 year of extra experience.
Well, at least we know that in 2015 we will have anywhere from 97 - 117 starts, which will put us firmly in the top 25.
Ohio has less on the OL than we do. Hopefully Nuss proves to makeup for what we lost from last year.
Althought they have less experience they are older. I think practice time and age, especially at a size-dependant position like o-line is important. For example a 4th year guy with very little game experience is better than a 2nd year guy with a whole year of experience IMO. He's had 3 full years of practice time, work with coaches and the system, and time to put on weight and strength. OSU is mostly 4th and 5th year guys with only one 3rd year guy. UM is mostly 3rd year guys with one 2nd and one 5th year guy. They are basically a year older at every position. They are what I'd expect UM to be next year.
OSU should go
OT - Jr
OT - RS Sr
OG - Jr
OG - RS So
C - RS Sr
UM should go
OT - RS So
OT - RS So
OG - So
OG - RS So
C - RS Sr
A redshirt sophomore is the same as a Junior age wise. They're both in their 3rd year.
This is an interesting comparison. OSU's line is "older" with a total of 3 years (0.6 per player) extra in the program, but Michigan's line has 16 extra starts (3.2 per player). Honestly, I'm not sure which of those I would take at the end of the day. Honestly, might lean OSU simply because that's extra years in strength and training, but I definitely think from an experience standpoint, they are pretty close.
Just ask yourself this question. If you could have either line, which would you take? I'd take OSU's 10 times out of 10. Hindsight is 20/20, so I hope I'm proven wrong this season, but sitting here now, there's no question in my mind.
Also PSU's defense left a lot to be desired last year.
a large part of our problem is our O-line's lack of time in college practices and college weight training. I am pretty confident our starters are dead last by a considerable margin in that stat. Would like to see numbers confirming our denying this suspicion though.
3, 6, 11, 2, 9.