The Official Bring Jedd Home Thread

Submitted by Michwolve21 on December 22nd, 2018 at 8:44 PM

Start up the bandwagon


Ger Sauden

December 23rd, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^

I don't know if fixation is the word. I don't know if fans are fixed on getting him back here. But rather knowing the passing game was better when he was here than it is now, and wishing for something better than what we have now. I'm sure everyone would be happier if someone better than Jedd Fisch would end up here. I'm sure there's guys out there that are better than him. I would be very happy to see that someone hired the week right after the Bowl Game, even the next day. And also the replacement for Ed McElwain. But it will be much harder to replace him with someone better.


December 22nd, 2018 at 8:53 PM ^

I like Jedd but there is little to suggest he's better than what we have or would have. 

The best thing that ever could happen for his casual Michigan fan reputation happened: He wasn't here for the QB/WR/OL disaster of 2017. 

We really liked the train, I guess! That was a Jay idea, btw. 


December 22nd, 2018 at 10:13 PM ^

Funny considering he threw 2 all game and the first 2 drives were a FG and TD pass by Speight.

There are valid criticisms of the offense and Pep. But he is without a doubt this fanbase's scape goat. The idea that if he were gone and Fisch were back the offense would be "fixed" is delusional.


December 22nd, 2018 at 10:58 PM ^

It's amazing to me how so many people here think everything bad about the offense is due to Pep. I thought he took too much crap last year. Then everyone changed their minds after the Amazon special for some stupid reason, just because he was calm and collected and not Drevno I guess. Now everyone hates him again.

Ger Sauden

December 23rd, 2018 at 10:14 AM ^

Well, I don't know if everyone hates him. It looks like most just want a much more exciting passing game. It seems with the talent Michigan has on offense there should be much better passing. The clearest thing I see that could be happening is that Chris Evans should be used much, much more out of the backfield in the passing game, like Marshall Faulk. With all the receiving talent on this offense it should look a little more like the Rams offense, when Dick Vermeal was there, than what it looks like now. I am not meaning just like it. But I am meaning there should be more excitement on the offense.

There's teams in college football that consistently have a more powerful passing game than Michigan. Some of those coaching those passing games are not from big name schools. I don't think Michigan needs Lincoln Riley to have a much better passing game than it has now. 

In looking into Pep Hamilton's coaching history, I can see he has never improved any passing game he has been involved with. I can only see passing game number start to go down over time with him there. There certainly has to be a better way for Michigan. And I don't hate him in saying that. 


December 22nd, 2018 at 9:42 PM ^

Idk if you watched the 2016 season, but it was what everyone wants a Harbaugh offense to look like. Power running, TE crossing routes, unleashing athletic WRs, etc. It wasn't some crazy offensive power house, but it was damn effective. And this was done all with Wilton Speight under center


December 22nd, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^

I agree.

It's not that Jedd is bad or that Pep is good (people gripe about Pep's NFL record while flat ignoring that Jedd's offense was bad in Jacksonville). It's that Harbaugh is the primary driver of the offense. 

Fisch hasn't suddenly become a savant of the 11 personnel play-action offense that is running in LA. He is an assistant that helps Sean McVay run the offense Sean McVay wants to run. Basically the same thing that he did at Michigan, and the same thing Pep does. They put in the hours of desk work and film work to plan what the HC/OC wants on the field. 

I wish Harbaugh's staff was more transparent about who did what. Pep certainly gets exposed to criticism in part because when things go wrong he's the guy in the booth. But I think that the work that Pep does could be done in similar capacity and to a similar level of quality with a number of guys. Jedd is one; he's far from the only guy with that kind of capability. 

BTW, the train formation? I loved it too, but its main impact was to give the defense little time to adapt to the formation Michigan presented. Which is just a cool-looking way to do the same thing the tempo offense can do. 

As long as Harbaugh maintains his basic HC-drive committee philosophy, things will stay basically the same. Might be different people taking the lead in passing or running, but it's Harbaugh calling the shots.

What many people really want is for Harbaugh to completely change his philosophy.

But it may be enough just for him to adapt the gameplan. 


December 22nd, 2018 at 10:54 PM ^

I pretty much agree. I don't think Pep is nearly as bad as this board makes him out to be, or that Fisch is nearly as good as people here think. But in the end, this is Harbaugh's offense and what we see on the field is a product of what he wants done. No major changes will be made unless Harbaugh wants them to be made, the OC is just an extension of Harbaugh.

That being said, the Pep takes here are so weird to me. Yes, there are valid criticisms of Pep and the offense. The play calling was vanilla, bland and predictable at times leading to a frustratingly ineffective offense at times (the OSU game plan of Higdon run up the middle on 1st and 2nd for 1 yard each series is the pinnacle of this). We struggled to convert yards to points often with a lot of drives stalling out on the opposing side of the field or in the red zone. We lost the ND game because of the offense. The offense isn't perfect and there's many improvements to be made.

That being said we were still the 24th ranked offense to S&P+ and had the #10 passing attack. Those numbers are both higher than anything Jedd produced (best of 38th and 17th in 2015), and almost all of this offense is returning next year. It was an offense with 2 new OL, an entirely green and unproven WR corps, and a new QB in his first year in this offense and first year at Michigan and the offense was better than anything we got from Jedd.

Obviously this offense has more talent than Jedd had available, but it also had a lot less experience. In 2016 despite returning the entire 2015 offense minus Rudock, the overall and passing S&P+ numbers dropped. So despite having 4/5 linemen back, Chesson/Darboh/Perry/Butt as pas catchers and Smith/Isaac/Higdon/Evans at RB, the offense got worse. Speight played really well in a 3 game stretch against Illinois (87th S&P+ pass defense in 2016), MSU (120) and Maryland (80th) but was mediocre at best the rest of the year.

People are all on the fire Pep train after OSU (a game our defense lost us, not the offense). But once he had some experienced players, a real QB and a semi-functional OL, Pep's offense took a huge step forward. Why wouldn't you let him stick around with the entire same group of guys? Now that this offense and Pep all have experience together, you'd expect some issues to be ironed out and the offense to jump from top 25, where it is now, to higher. Maybe it doesn't, and maybe it regresses and you have to fire Pep. But if it doesn't I think the issues we have are changes Harbaugh has to make, not the OC, and there's no reason to think firing Pep and bringing in Jedd will make anything better except to calm down angry internet fans.