No more "Michigan time" starting 5.1.18

Submitted by dnak438 on February 19th, 2018 at 7:05 PM

For those of you who haven't seen it, "Michigan time" (classes start 10 minutes after the hour) will be no more, effective May 1, 2018:

https://www.michigandaily.com/section/academics/michigan-time-change-ne…

I know this isn't actually a big deal, but personally I HATE this. I loved Michigan time, especially for 9 am classes. That was true when I was a student, and it's true now that I'm a professor. I teach at a public university that starts classes on the hour and I really don't like it at all.

Comments

UM Fan from Sydney

February 19th, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^

Ask yourself: “Does it really bother me that this lacks ‘OT’ in the title?” I’ll bet the answer is no. Labeling a thread with “OT” is really not needed, anyway. When people read thread titles, they are smart enough to realize it is off or on topic.

Indy Pete - Go Blue

February 19th, 2018 at 8:28 PM ^

But it is safe to say if it had an OT before it without title, I would not have clicked on it.   I was curious what Michigan time was referring (thought maybe it was a Michigan sports TV show). I have not been a student there since 2003, so it did not register.  I am interested in UM sports content and did not expect to see info about class start time.  In my ignorance, I thought that was OT. Anyways, I made sure to ask and not be nasty because I honestly did not know.

Indy Pete - Go Blue

February 19th, 2018 at 11:30 PM ^

Yeah, there is some truth to that, but no biggie. I am the opposite of an authority around here, so just trying to learn the ropes and ask a pointed question. I actually appreciate the justice associated with getting called out for saying something foolish. You win some, you lose some. Live and learn. I have no problem with how everything went down.

Hail-Storm

February 20th, 2018 at 9:21 AM ^

I graduated at the same time, and Michigan Time is still part of my wife and my's vocabulary.  

I understand the logic in making the change, however, as a student who had many 8:30 starts on North Campus, it was nice to know I had 40 Minues to get there if I left at 8 (lived near Yost). 

With three young kids I could also really use that 10 minute buffer now.  Somehow I never feel like I can be on time. 

ZooWolverine

February 19th, 2018 at 9:36 PM ^

Michigan time was the best thing ever as a freshman, when I rushed into multiple classes 5 minutes late, only to discover I was actually 5 minutes early.

It killed me as a senior, though, when I was so used to Michigan time that I arrived ten minutes late to anything that was on real time.

Overall, I get the change but I’m sad to see it go.

Peter Parker

February 19th, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^

This argument has never, ever made sense. The class will end ten minutes before the hour now, giving the same ten minutes to walk the next class that exists every where else that doesn't use "Michigan time". I didn't do my undergrad here, and when I came here for grad school everybody was like "Oh, things don't actually start when they say they do, they start on 'Michigan time'". And I thought, "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard".

blahblahblahh

February 20th, 2018 at 12:39 AM ^

I think you're reading into my comment too much. All I was saying is that if the person I responded to ever scheduled back-to-back classes, they most certainly took advantage of Michigan time.

I agree it doesn't matter if the 10 minutes are at the start or end of class. However the new policy of starting on time and ending early probably is slightly better due to the possibility of confusion mentioned in the article, but I wasn't making a judgement on that.

Not sure why you would find the policy to be the "dumbest thing" though - it allows students to condense their schedules and eliminates short breaks.

Peter Parker

February 20th, 2018 at 9:32 AM ^

It was super dumb for all the reasons listed in the article. As a grad student I would see a flier for a seminar or an event and wonder ‘now does that start on normal, sane person time or does it start on Michigan time?’ Sometimes it would be one and sometimes it would be the other. Also, numerous times as a GSI I would have students ask me if something started I ‘michigan Time’ or not, like a 6:30 exam in the evening or something, and I would have to respond with ‘I have no idea’, because sometimes it would depend on the professor. Literally the only thing it accomplished was confusing people.

DairyQueen

February 20th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^

Haha, i guess i more mean, how if it starts at :00 or :10, sometimes the GSI or Prof shows up early, or at 10 after, or 15 after, students show up at :00 or :10, or later, it changes the dynamic and allows at times people to talke to eachother for 10-15 minutes before the instructor shows up, or, talk to the instructor one-on-one for 10-15 minutes before more students show up, small groups, etc. etc.

The vagueness allows for more varied and spontaneous interactions to take place, and more leisurely, which I believe is a superior, more dynamic allotment.

When it comes to exams, in my experience, the profs were extremely specific (as often their is a proctor--lol, "proctor") when the start and stop times would be.

TrueBlue2003

February 20th, 2018 at 1:10 AM ^

or ends ten minutes before the hour, the point remains that you need ten minutes to walk between classes that are back-to-back.

It makes absolutely no difference whether the ten min is at the beginning of the hour or the end of the hour.

If you wanted the stated class start time to be the actual start time (1:10 or 3:10 or whatever), then I agree.  There was no reason to put in the schedule that it started at 2:00pm when it actually started at 2:10.

I find it pointless that they changed it to be the first 50 minutes of the hour.

Peter Parker

February 20th, 2018 at 9:57 AM ^

I’m not surprised by that. Us grad students that first went somewhere with classes that actually started when they were supposed to, and still had 50 minute long classes so you had that built in 10 minutes to walk to your next class, can’t help but think ‘why would you take something everybody else already does and make it unnecessarily confusing?’

Hail-Storm

February 20th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^

Confusing when your class at 9 am starts at 9:10, but your exam at 7 pm starts at 7.  There just seems to be a large split I didn't know about.  I never heard complaints as an undergrad, and it actually felt like something everyone liked, but it looks like grad students hated it. I knew previous undergrads would have a sad because of nostalgia reaction, but never expected the vitrol from another group.  

slaunius

February 19th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^

A bit sad to see it go, but if you read the reasons given in the article, it seems like a totally defensible move.

I remember confusion over exam or event start times (also mentioned in the article); this will remove that ambiguity across the board.

Mongo

February 19th, 2018 at 7:22 PM ^

That would have devastated his ethos and A2 compass. I mean Michigan time has been around forever. I graduated in 1980 and Michigan time was unique and important. It takes exactly 10 minutes to walk cross campus to classrooms. Do they know what they are f-ing with? Not a good change. Bad shit will happen from this.

jmblue

February 19th, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^

I can't believe that U-M had a snow day last year, or the year before (I forget exactly).  That was one of those parts of campus lore: we would never have a snow day because of that one time the irate law student sued the school for 1/120 of his semester tuition... 

Hail-Storm

February 20th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^

the naked mile.

My freshman year (98-99), I was able to talk to the cops after drinking and they pretty much told us that unless someone is hurting someone, anything goes.  Fast forward to my junior year (I think, maybe it was senior year) the diag was shut down and cops were arresting runners, rather than protecting them a few years eariler.  A short sitdown on south U got broken up and that seemed to be the end of it. The next year I spent that night drink pitchers at Mitch's (which is also gone).