New York Post Column: "A coach worth rooting for in college basketball’s darkest hour"
Awesome to see Beilein recieve well deserved recognition for his clean coaching style
https://nypost.com/2018/02/27/a-coach-worth-rooting-for-in-college-bask…
February 28th, 2018 at 5:23 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:32 AM ^
Their point is that straight paying players (To be factual, players already are paid substantially, and in fact at some schools more than the average American salary so their proposal is to pay them more) will eliminate this behavior. It won't, at all. As long as there are agents and people that want to influence players choices, this will occur, no matter what players are paid. Players will still get paid more to go to a certain school, and players will still get paid by agents wanting to land them as a client.
There may be a great case to play players more, but this isn't it.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:42 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:01 AM ^
It is a fact that players get paid, there is no debate about that whatsoever. The only debate is whether they should be paid more. (I think they should).
February 28th, 2018 at 10:11 AM ^
it "won't be enough" and the better players will still $$ under the table. The first $X,XXX* will help the second stringers for sure.
* you pick the number
February 28th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 6:03 PM ^
which is what i referred to
February 28th, 2018 at 7:50 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 9:19 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^
they can from whoever will pay them? Professional leagues don't operate that way.
Most of that money wouldn't be for endorsements. Leaving aside anything against the law, you would still have gamblers looking for inside information. Boosters from other schools looking to get players to transfer. It's not hard to imagine players getting paid to sit out a key game by the opponent's boosters. Or asking for more cash to play in it.
There are a lot of unethical agents out there looking to take advantage of athletes. It's going to be easier to do when they can be locked into valid contracts while still in high school.
There is no simple solution that doesn't have serious flaws.
Once you enact rules to regulate payments, sensible things like requiring written contracts to be submitted for anything over a certain amount, for example, then you're going to deal with cheating again. That's probably the best way forward though. The NCAA can borrow rules from professional sports leagues that are designed to protect the players and the integrity of the game. Add a few restrictions on boosters.
February 28th, 2018 at 9:49 AM ^
is to give them a cut of merchandising tied to them
sell jerseys, autographed basketballs, etc.
player gets the profits or a cut of the profits
maybe a limit of $100K / year
the better players get paid more - it's not a title 9 issue any more because the school is just the brokerage house to run the sales to keep it on the up and up
February 28th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^
This concept that education is the same as a paycheck is goofy, especially considering the mostly arbritrary nature of tuition. There's a reason everyone else associated with college athletics gets paid with actual money.
February 28th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^
The form of "payment" makes it less factual than you admit. Especially considering there are players that would prefer and easily could get paid with actual money in their hand with which they could do whatever they pleased.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:40 PM ^
Except that it's a lot easier to say no to some people under the table when others are paying good money over the table. And when you can pay money over the table there's a lot less incentive to pay people under the table. Furthermore it lets everyone start paying instead of just those without scruples. I'd expect it to cut down the under the table payments significantly.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:49 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 8:04 AM ^
Is he doesn't think he is any better than the rest of us. Man's got humility. Something in real short supply nowadays.
February 28th, 2018 at 9:29 AM ^
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February 28th, 2018 at 6:23 AM ^
Beilein basketball is everything good about being a UM sports fan: our team plays the right way, almost always improves, has student-athletes who regularly out-perform expectations to such a degree that they obtain NBA riches, we most often crest as games count more, and when we think ahead to the NCAA tournament, we most often look at our upcoming opponents with more glee than anxiety because Beilien.
I can't wait for the Beilein statue on campus. He will get one, and it will be well deserved. Doublful, but I hope it includes either a water gun or a sub.
February 28th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
So the statue could include both a sub and water gun!
February 28th, 2018 at 6:24 AM ^
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February 28th, 2018 at 6:46 AM ^
College basketball's darkest hour is so ridiculous. A coach instructed his team to tell investigators their murdered teammate was a drug dealer to cover up NCAA infractions fifteen years ago. That was a dark hour. The allegations at MSU that are not Bridges related are a dark hour. This is kids getting paid for having marketable talents.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:47 AM ^
in by his assistant. This is widespread corruption being unmasked. Coaches negotiating with agents over steering their players to them in exchange for recruits is not kids getting paid. It's about kids getting taken advantage of. Same with bribing assistant coaches to steer them towards some unethical finacial adviser.
This is going to end with criminal charges against a lot of people. Quite a few have already been filed. One of the national reporters covering the story said last night he expects 20 Power 5 coaches to lose their jobs. Kids getting paid is just one element of this scandal and it's not the worst one by any means.
February 28th, 2018 at 9:10 AM ^
Agreed. The feds aren't investigating violations of NCAA amateur provisions and other assorted technicalities. They're investigating federal crimes. That's not something that "pay the players" will fix.
February 28th, 2018 at 11:25 AM ^
The latest is much more systemic than the one coach trying to cover up for a murder. It goes to nearly every major program and shows the inherent filth in the system at large.
February 28th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^
I agree. I'd submit, with sarcasm and excessive homerism, that the darkest hour was on April 3, 2000.
February 28th, 2018 at 6:57 AM ^
Not only do his teams do all of the mentioned things above, but they play fun basketball! The players have fun with it, the fans have fun with it, and TV/radio guys have fun with it. It's fun becuase he keeps adapting to modern players. The guy is 60-some years old, and modifies what he does to suit the 19 yr old kids that play for him so they have fun.
Beilein is simply awesome. I love Harbaugh, and we all know Michigan is a football school and football will always be supreme. But Beilein is the best coach on campus. And - by 100 miles - Bill Martin's best career moment.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:04 AM ^
But let's not forget a few other great coaches on campus. Like Mike Bottom, Erik Bakich and especially Carol Hutchins.
February 28th, 2018 at 8:54 AM ^
Your list of coaches is dead on... and I wish to take nothing away from those great mentors.
But being clean AND successful in non-revenue sports is not quite as difficult as it is in high D-1 basketball. Beilein may never get the top 20 recruits consistantly because he refuses to play the games required to do so.
I would argue our non-revenue sports have an inherent advantage in recruiting over 99% of schools they compete with. Academics, infrastructure, academic support, alumni network, etc. mean way more to athletes who are not going to be professionals in their sport - the only downside is the northern climate, which is significant in some sports (baseball, softball, track and field, etc).
Not to say there isnt' temptation to break the rules for those sports' coaches, but when you have the power of the Michigan brand at your disposal when recruiting, it is not nearly as tempting.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:05 AM ^
The dude is amazing. For a while, I thought he had lost the recruiting touch. But it was really the recruits who lost touch with what is real, and who is some way lost out.
Certainly Martin's finest hire.
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February 28th, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^
Even though every word you typed is absolutely correct, I do NOT believe you mean it for one minute.
Your posting history is nothing but a troll job in which you spewed your garbage all over and told us all you were leaving. Just do it.
February 28th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^
Agree to disagree.
The majority of his initial posts are quite reasonable and certainly do not qualify as a "troll job." I'm not saying he's making "data-driven pots" like some of the Buckeye and Nittany fans that post here occasionally, but his posts are - at minimum - qualitatively sound (like the above).
However, probably because of his username and image, a commenter on the Board will respond to him by insulting MSU, claiming "something, something, Little Brother," and basically spiraling the conversation unnecessarily.
THEN SpartyJon will react - like most of us would - and the thread implodes.
One of the cool elements of MGoBlog is the contribution of other teams' fans. I like reading their perspectives even if I don't agree all the time. Having said that, it'd be nice if the board would maintain a pleasant, inclusive environment for them to post, as opposed to basically denigrating them for their respective fanhoods (like RCMB).
February 28th, 2018 at 7:28 AM ^
tutors tots.
February 28th, 2018 at 7:34 AM ^
February 28th, 2018 at 7:41 AM ^
approves:
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February 28th, 2018 at 8:27 AM ^
to take Coach for granted given the state of the program when he took over and how much has been accomplished.
Although given this quote I have to question the author's chops.
Maybe if Rutgers were a little further along in its rebuilding cycle,.
Like maybe anywhere but at Go?
February 28th, 2018 at 8:27 AM ^
But that wasn't that great of a piece. And not to #WellActually the author of that article, but well, actually, Madison Square Garden has been a neutral home site for Michigan for years now.
February 28th, 2018 at 9:10 AM ^
Yeah, that was basically my thought as well.
Plus now I have that Mulan song in my head.