February 20th, 2018 at 3:03 PM ^

I just found out in the Sympathy for the Devil thread that our recruiting this year was actually virtually even with OSU's, not light-years behind it, cause our three stars are awesome 3 stars and their four stars are kinda poopy 4 stars to be honest.  So practically even-steven.

I'm quite relieved.   What fools they and everyone else are for thinking they crushed us this year in recruiting.


February 20th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^

"All fall apart" is hyperbolic.

First of all, we had a top 20-ish recruiting class out of 130 teams in the FBS.

Second, we have 19 signees, which means teams with 20+ are taking advantage of quantity - not necessarily quality - to get ahead or to get close.

Third, we knew from the beginning that this was going to be a small class. If anybody truly thought we would be #4 at the end of this recruiting cycle, then you should ignore that person's thoughts and advice about recruiting rankings in the future. IIRC, this class was originally supposed to have about 11 players. 

I don't know why people get their hopes up about recruiting so early, or why people get frustrated so early. Nothing really matters until players sign on the dotted line.


February 20th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^

You're being disingenuous and you know it. No one is saying it's a great or even good class by the numbers. What people are debating with is (a) if it's "fucking TERRIBLE" and (b) what the impact of a small class that's not highly touted but fits our depth needs will be (+ Patterson).

If you think this class is the sign of end of times, I mean, of course you're entitled to that opinion, but don't offer it up like disagreement is absurd.


February 21st, 2018 at 8:03 AM ^

I agree with the above poster that it doesn't fill our needs on the offensive line, particularly if you believe Hayes will stay at tight end. (I don't believe that.) We have too few linemen.

We have 14 linemen. 13 if Newsome can't play. 12 if Newsome can't play and Hayes is a tight end. 11 if Newsome can't play and Hayes is a tight end and Bushell-Beatty leaves.

+1 to any of those numbers if Calvin Anderson transfers to Michigan, which I find unlikely.


February 20th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^

False. The 2018 class was not ranked 4th as late as November 2017. That simply is not true. (The link you posted was the final rank of the 2017 class which signed in February of 2017) The ‘18 class was hovering in the 12-15 range at the point you mentioned. Pretty sure the 2018 was never near the top five at any point. We didn’t close on a few prospects we wanted, but I don’t think we should lose sleep over the 19 guys we got. They are all guys who have great upside and I’m excited about what they’ll develop into. No one is happy with the way last season went (especially Harbaugh), but this season will be better. Last year’s team was the youngest in major college football. The great talent JH has recruited the previous years will shine. Just relax and cut out the damn negativity. It’ll be fine.


February 20th, 2018 at 7:06 PM ^

anyone who gets hell bent out of shape because we lost out on 2-3 guys at the end needs to get a life.  there are 85 scholarships.  i'm not going to cry about missing a couple.  besides, how many of our 5 star guys the past decade have panned out?  you never know.

it just doesn't matter nearly enough in football.  losing out on a couple high recruits at the wire in basketball is a different story.

Jack Hammer

February 20th, 2018 at 7:04 PM ^

When I was a boy my parents had a farm in Laingsburgh, MI.   We had 2 cows.  Their names were Peanutbutter & Jelly.   One fall when the days were getting longer my dad said, "I hope you are in the mood for a lot of sandwiches this winter."   I asked why...  He said "well, I just slaughtered our cows and it looks like we'll be eating nothing but Peanutbutter and Jelly until spring."


True story...


February 20th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^

I got Hinton and Herron confused with each other. So whereas before I though a top-10ish recruit was trending away, now it’s only a top-50 recruit, and we still have the top-10ish guy who also has a blue chip younger brother.

Thanks for listing them both in this thread.


February 20th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^

I know guards are not valued as highly as tackles. But i do think Rumler should be top 100.  I think the kid is a stud.  Ill be curious when the top 250 comes out where they place him.  Im guessing around 100-150.


February 20th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^

And are not in on the other 3 from our own state. If we loose Herron and the other and loose out on 2-3 of the others it's another waisted year and Harbaugh w be asking himself "WTF" is going on.


February 20th, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^

Just playing devil's advocate. 

I think people are worrying too much about the 2018 class.  A top 15 recruiting class surrounded by Top 5 classes will still be in the national title hunt as long as Don Brown is DC and Harbaugh has a QB.  Brown's not going anywhere and I'll take Patterson, Peters and McCaffrey over any trio of QBs in the B1G, including OSU.

Magnum P.I.

February 20th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^

Kills to me to see two top-30 in-state kids not even considering Michigan. And worse yet, it's not even because Ohio State swooped in. Don't know how that can be construed as anything other than a major, major failure on the part of the Michigan coaching staff.