April 28th, 2011 at 12:12 AM ^

whether it was all that bad, right? :) In truth, I don't think it gets Mattison anywhere even to say something like, "You'll want to make sure you get a good fix on how the (OSU) investigation is going to play out." (Scenario I contemplated as I asked myself the same question about neg. recruiting.) Because unless the kid and his parents are Martians they are anxious as h about it already.

Wolverine 73

April 28th, 2011 at 1:29 PM ^

There is no need for negative talk about other schools.  If you want them to think about the situation at tosu, all you have to do is talk about how things are trending upwards at UM, and mention "we had that little issue with stretching that was blown all out of proportion, but we got right on top of it and did a full and imemdiate disclosure and, as you will recall, the NCAA appreciated our honesty and saw there was nothing to it.  That's the way we handle things.'  Go on to discuss the tradition etc.  Draw your own conclusions, kid.


April 27th, 2011 at 10:44 PM ^

It's been said to many of our recruits. It has been a repetitive meme throughout the last few years, especially during our NCAA related unpleasantness. It was also a long running theme after the Fab Five troubles hit the fan, first with the banm, then recruits were simply told "they don't get to the NCAA."

I imagine now the story is "What kind of a coach is Hoke? What's he ever won?" Luckily it seems like recruits aren't buying that line. Dantonio.


April 27th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^

Perhaps Tom was making a tongue in cheek comment because Mattison got Dunn to switch today and OSU fans would claim that's the only way it could happen.


 /s..........kiind of


April 27th, 2011 at 10:45 PM ^

Larry Johnson Sr at Penn State.  He's well known for it.

Actually, I like this quote from Bill Greene:

"Negative recruiting is just a term that gets thrown around when a school gets their butt whipped in recruiting. It means your school got waxed."


Lloyd's Boy

April 27th, 2011 at 11:05 PM ^

Is this the Larry Johnson who has a son that has been arrested four times since 2003 for sexual assault charges? What could he possibly tell the recruit's family? "I'll make sure your boy grows up to be a well-rounded, professional man. Just like my own boy."



April 27th, 2011 at 10:50 PM ^

It could possibly be us I mean think about the lines we could use:

OSU: how do you feel about playing in a bowl game in your college career... well you wont be able to if you go down there.

PSU: just because joe has you in his will doesn't mean you have to go.

MSU: if you have under two felonies, you won't be able to start.

Indiana: Do they still have a team after chappell and doss left?

Purdue: I hear there making it a requirement to grow the worse possible mustache.

ND: Notre Dame is a french name but they are named the Irish: If they ask you to film practice on a crappy looking tower, make sure you take out a new life insurance plan.

Minnesota: I heard mustard is the new green.

Wisconsin: we won't throw touchdown passes while up 60 (maybe 55 though)

Nebraska: I hear college life is great there if you like being surrounded by corn fields.

Iowa: Do you like the Idea of pissing brown? Me neither.

Illinois: Ron Zook couldn't even win at florida.

Northwestern: The only guy I know that wears purple kisses other guys.



Sac Fly

April 27th, 2011 at 10:53 PM ^

But I imagine that it isn't effective as it was last year. Dantonio really used the coaching uncertainty to his advantage last year to get instate prospects. I think this year he's going back to his old pitch, "Hey do you like burning furniture, showing zero class during games, and beating up innnocent citizens?  Yes? Than east lansing is the perfect place for you."


April 28th, 2011 at 2:12 AM ^

My favorite is when they bastardize their own fight song: "see their team is weakkkkkkk" instead of "weakening". I mean, we all already know it's a complete travesty of a song with no semblance of a meter, but they could at least pretend to be proud of it.
<br>Also, I just wikipedia'd it and (everyone else probably knows this already) but the original fight song when they were M.A.C. not only directly called them farmers, but had two direct references to U.M. More evidence of little-brother syndrome, if you ask me.


April 27th, 2011 at 11:06 PM ^

could it be in reference to Mattison / Dunn?  Considering Tom's connections and the alleged visit today, it kinda makes sense.

Not trying to be negative on our recruiting tactics!  Just throwing that out there as a possibility.

Edit: Sorry, didn't see someone else arlready postulated the idea.


April 27th, 2011 at 11:07 PM ^

Personally, I don't have a problem with negative recruiting, as long as it's done honestly.  If someone says, "You don't want to go to Ohio State because they might get a bowl ban and Tressel might get fired," then that's just being honest.

If someone says, "You don't want to go to Iowa, because Kirk Ferentz teaches his players how to cook crystal meth," then that's crossing the line.

Lloyd's Boy

April 27th, 2011 at 11:48 PM ^

I heard a rumor that in an attempt to avoid negative recruiting, that the SEC has decided to adopt a policy which allows for in-state recruits to be auctioned off. In strict compliance with NCAA regulations, SEC universities will only be able to buy 45 players every year.

Pray For Mojo

April 27th, 2011 at 11:55 PM ^

Sadly, I doubt it's all that difficult to negatively recruit against Michigan these days.  'They've won 6 conference game in the last 3 years', negative, but true.  

But, on the bright side, it will be a lot more difficult to negatively recruit against UM in the coming years, and a helluva lot easier to do it to O$U.


April 28th, 2011 at 12:05 AM ^

Question for Tom...

What's the term "negative recruiting" mean to you?  Seems like it could fall into two different sorts:  (1) Honestly pointing out that another school might not be a good fit (i.e. "Seems like things are a little rocky in Columbus"), or (2) False and mean-spirited attacks (i.e. "I hear that Coach X likes to masterbate to kiddie porn.").

Personally, while (1) is a drag, it's at least honest and a means to differeniate one school v. another.  The second sort is indeed unseemly.  So, do you think (1) or (2) is going down?  Many thanks.


April 28th, 2011 at 12:26 AM ^

It seems to me that (1) shouldn't be frowned upon too much, as long as it's honest. Telling a kid that he'd do much better in your system or pointing out that not many guys go pro from the opposing team's roster may not be the best way to land a recruit, but it's part of the game.

From the sound of Tom's tweet, it should be (2). Not to your extreme of course, but maybe questioning another coach's character or perpetuating rumors. It'd be pretty funny to hear a kid call a coach on that, though. 


April 28th, 2011 at 3:59 AM ^

(1) is still prone to major grey areas.  Rampant (and largely unsupportable) speculation around these parts suggested that other schools were negatively recruiting against Michigan in 2009, saying RR was on his way out.  These turned out to be truthful and accurate representations, but they were still probably underhanded, particularly in 2009.


April 28th, 2011 at 3:33 AM ^

I would bet that it isn't us. I don't know if hoke can even talk about anything other than how much he loves U of M. Based on everything recruits have said about the family environment and the close knit group that this team has become everything seems positive coming out of schembechler.


April 28th, 2011 at 6:54 AM ^

It's us.  We're recruiting negatively.  Here's a sampling:

That guy in the vest you're considering sending your son to play for is a liar.  Here's a transcript of his most recent lies.  If, during his courtship of your son, he's told you he wasn't lying, he's lying again.  How are you supposed to believe him when he says "he'll be there for the next 4 or 5 years" or "the NCAA isn't going to penalize us anymore" ?



April 28th, 2011 at 7:06 AM ^

I thought with the negative recruiting against UM(RR area) we nailed it down to Iowa/Purdue? As far as us doing it, I'm with Magnus, Just reinforce fact. "Have you seen the news on JT?". "Joe Pa is getting up there. Are you scared of Zombies?" I would think that the Big Programs wouldn't have to do it, but who knows


April 28th, 2011 at 3:04 PM ^

That's an understatement...

MSU is coming off their best season in years (especially when you don't consider their soft schedule and extreme luck in winning game they should have lost) and they look to be on the path to a very weak recruiting class.  All of this makes me smile.

Anyway, wrote above that this negative recruiting is clearly coming from EL.  Why do you think that is?