ND... Be careful what you wish for.

Submitted by cali4444 on September 25th, 2016 at 7:07 PM

Does anyone see a chance of Tom Herman ending up at ND if Kelly and the Irish go belly up this year?  I really don't want to see him at one of our rivals.....hoping Texas or another school down there gets to him before OSU, ND or even PSU eventually come calling.



September 25th, 2016 at 10:35 PM ^

Ohio State does not have to fight another in state school for its talent. ND has the Catholic school angle. Texas,the state, has double the talent of Ohio but has to share it with several in state Texas schools. PSU seems like a cluster with all of shame. I did not know Herman had the local roots but in general I think you can pull top classes at any of these schools.


September 25th, 2016 at 7:42 PM ^

and I have a feeling it lies w/in the administration. Since they reinstated their admissions standards, no one has had great success since Holtz who, of course left the year they reinstated the standards. However, Kelly has done a better job than anyone since and it's puzzling to understand, minus his brief stint at CMU which was a total rebuilding job, his lifetime winning pct has gone done despite his on-field talent. This is why I think the reasons go far beyond the fb field. 


September 25th, 2016 at 8:11 PM ^

I disagree. Give that roster to Harbaugh or Meyer. They will do wonders. They have a very good versatile QB. Good OL and DL. Heck they had some pretty good WRs. They had a great LB. A good coach makes all the difference. Ask buckeyes the year before Meyer. Look at what Harbaugh did last year. I don't think Kelly is that good a coach.


September 26th, 2016 at 10:40 AM ^

"Believe the ND job has become a not so good one "
That's what people were saying before Kelly got to ND- what with academic restrictions, population shifts, etc. But he's had a decent run, and highly ranked recruiting class this past year..

I don't really get all this "ND is irrelevant" talk around here. A lot of similar talk was going around about Michigan not too long ago. I realize they are a hated rival, but some of the talk is just silly. Yes, it's located in a drab town in Rust Belt northern Indiana. It's a small school, but has become academically prestigious. Gorgeous campus, on-campus stadium. Not only do they have the Catholic school "in", a lot of mothers from big cities and small town across the country consider it a good, safe place to send their football-playing sons to school. They have their own network TV contract, and giant revenue stream which they don't have to share with anybody. They still have a huge widespread fanbase- most college fans love or hate them.

Under Armour wouldn't be dropping $90 million on them if they thought they were irrelevant. Yes, they had dry years, but so has nearly every program, including Michigan. They've at least been to an NC title game in recent memory. Much as we love Harbaugh and Michigan, we ought to wait until we get there before talking about anybody else; and then at that point, it wouldn' really matter. Such talk of other programs would just be...unseemly.


September 26th, 2016 at 6:56 AM ^

few years, I'm not sure ND is really in such a great position. Half in, half out of an ACC in which several schools are on the rise, watching MSU, UM, and OSU all rise around them. . . very little is guaranteed them any more. And I would argue that a certain virtuous cache that they hung onto for decades is pretty threadbarren after deaths, rapes, fat guys with mafia rings, exploding red faces, and talking to the dead. I'm probably in the minority, but I was one of the few that wasn't so overjoyed with renewing the rivalry; I'd prefer to let them stew awhile in their mini Big House in SB. . .


September 26th, 2016 at 12:00 AM ^

Bowden's birthday is November 8, 1929.  He went downhill AFTER 70.

In seasons where he turned 65+

65 1994 10–1–1
66 1995 10–2
67 1996 11–1
68 1997 11–1
69 1998 11–2
70 1999 12–0
71 2000 11–2
So admittedly Saban is getting up there, but he will probably be great for at least another 5 and maybe 10 years left  :-(


September 26th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^

Won't affect the recruiting base much and as you said, it takes a little off of Saban's invincible aura.

With all the UM-USC history back in the PAC10 days, I'd prefer to see them continue to swim in their own mediocrity for as long as possible.  Plus, that helps keep the CA recruiting territory open to all comers.


September 25th, 2016 at 7:12 PM ^

He's from Southern California and has spent most of his coaching career in Texas.  I doubt he'll return to the Midwest.

Next year he'll almost certainly be at one of the following four schools: Houston, LSU, Texas or USC.


Mr. Yost

September 25th, 2016 at 7:12 PM ^

The seat may get hot...but there's no shot they fire Kelly. They were AWFUL before he showed up, wildly inconsistent year after year after year. LSU won a national championship right before Les got there. It's a different situation.

Mr. Yost

September 25th, 2016 at 7:44 PM ^

He's 56-26 at ND...

The guy before him (Weis) was 35-27

...the guy before that (Willingham) was 21-15

...the guy before THAT (Bob Davie) was 35-25


The days of Lou Holtz are long gone, but Kelly has been the closest thing record wise and it's not even close.

Holtz last coached in 1996, exactly 20 years ago. Brian Kelly is the best coach they've had in 20 years...that's insane.

Blue Ninja

September 25th, 2016 at 8:40 PM ^

Notre Dame fans are delusional at best if they truly believe they are still a national powerhouse. They are still a national historic powerhouse and with the right coach could quickly regain their status, but the fact is they haven't won a national championship in almost 30 years and played for one national championship in those 30 years 4 seasons ago. Since Holtz left 20 years ago they have only been in the final rankings 6 times. That is not what I would call a national powerhouse.

Mr. Yost

September 25th, 2016 at 10:24 PM ^

We all know the big 3.

Then what?

Swinney? Fisher? Shaw? Dantonio? Stoops? Petersen? 

Is Kelly really THAT far behind all of those guys?


I think that's what teams like LSU and ND fail to realize. Everyone wants Meyer, Saban and Harbaugh...but there aren't too many guys that are going to show up and change your program from day one.

Is Bob Stoop REALLY that much of an upgrade over Brian Kelly? They feel like just about the same thing to me.

You're not getting Swinney, Fisher or Shaw. So what now, Patterson, Petersen and a young hot name like Herman is all that's left.

...or have we not gotten over the Gruden to ND predictions?

Regardless, most would say Kelly is one of the 15 best coaches, maybe 10 best coaches in the country. There really isn't much seperation between him and the guys ahead of him until you get to the big 3. It just comes down to timing and fit for the guys 4-15.