NCAA Bylaw 16.7: Reasonable Entertainment
A few days ago some MGoPosters wondered how it was permissible for the MSU hoops team to fly to Dallas for the Cotton Bowl. The answer is apparently a change to NCAA Bylaw 16:7, which allows for "reasonable entertainment in conjuction with practice or competition".
“It’s part of the movement of, if your school can afford it, you can do it,” said Smith, a senior associate athletic director on Hollis’ staff.
For example, Izzo’s team also has traveled to Cleveland for a leadership session with Cleveland Cavaliers owner and MSU alum Dan Gilbert. Schools can now pay for a team on the road to attend an amusement park. A golf team from the north can travel to Florida to practice – previously, such a trip would only be allowed for competition.
Apparently spending 40k fflying from Iowa to Texas, unrelated to any hoops competition (but practicing in Dallas) qualifies as both reasonable and in conjunction with practice - the article (Freep, sorry) states that the B1G cleared the trip.
I'm all for the student athletes having some fun, but perhaps it's time to just get rid of the rule altogether if it is going to be interpreted so liberally.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^
Considering the outcome of the game, I wouldn't consider that reasonable entertainment.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:16 PM ^
I was quite entertained
January 5th, 2016 at 5:12 PM ^
I'm ok with the rule, seeing as how it seems to be enforced is to ask for permission.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:12 PM ^
that the MSU basketball team watched the football team get curb-stomped?
Do you suspect that money is flowing to more illicit activities?
January 5th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^
It's an answer to a question that had its own 95-post thread, so it matters to someone.
Like I said in the post, I don't have any issue with it, though I question the need for the rule at all since it pretty much gives a school carte blanche.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:14 PM ^
I really don't mind them going, WHEN Michigan gets its chance, I hope JB can take the hoops team to go watch.
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January 5th, 2016 at 5:16 PM ^
sense to me. Rich schools can tell recruits "come play for us and you can go to Disneyland and the Final 4/CFP" but you can't stretch more than 12 minutes a week or eat 2 bagels and cream cheese in a day.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:25 PM ^
with the cream cheese thing. I'm surprised anyone graduated with that going on.
January 5th, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^
...or worse, imagine what the NCAA could potentially do when they find out, say, that two of your players ate more than their allotted amount of pasta and will not be eligible until they give the caterer $3 or so a piece for their transgression. It is simply unimaginable, the hardships that can be unleashed over pasta.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:12 PM ^
January 6th, 2016 at 12:43 PM ^
Not the pasta! Delete this thread before Snyder/Rosenberg get wind of it! Call Messner's dog, do something!
January 5th, 2016 at 5:19 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 5:21 PM ^
This is NCAA rules content that applies to Michigan. Michigan State's involvement is purely a side note.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:21 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 5:27 PM ^
So for Louisville, are hookers and blow considered reasonable entertainment???
January 5th, 2016 at 5:34 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 5:36 PM ^
depends if they asked permission first
January 5th, 2016 at 5:40 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 5:46 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 6:10 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 5:40 PM ^
Activities on Bowl trips have always been allowed - this "looser" regulation is less than 2 years old.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:44 PM ^
January 5th, 2016 at 5:49 PM ^
Ty's little brother.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:58 PM ^
Can't tell if serious. If so:
January 5th, 2016 at 6:07 PM ^
January 5th, 2016 at 6:43 PM ^
That one went right over my head, Cotton.
January 5th, 2016 at 9:10 PM ^
both ways. its all the rage these days.
January 5th, 2016 at 6:06 PM ^
January 5th, 2016 at 6:34 PM ^
Anyone who's played a non-revenue sport in college is going to notice that the basketball team seems to be getting star treatment here. That's what I immediately thought of here. But the Title IX point is even more interesting.
Just like Animal Farm, it seems that some athletes are more equal than others!
January 5th, 2016 at 7:05 PM ^
January 5th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^
Thank you for answering my question. I took quite a beating for that post. I'm still a bit miffed at StephenRKass for calling it petty and juvenile, comparing me to his 14 year old twins, and accusing me of being a "tattle-tale." Considering that the game was nationally televised for the whole world to see, I really don't consider that tattle-taling. Additionally, this is a college sports blog. Petty and juvenile describes half of the posts on here. IMHE, someone needs to extract the giant stick from their ass and develop a sense of humor. Life is much more enjoyable when you can laugh at the hypocrisy of the NCAA and Tom Izzo's Napoleon complex. Meanwhile, a couple days later nearly everybody is quick to condemn Peyton Manning for something there is no proof that he did, but let's all defend Tom Izzo. Wait, wut? And then someone sarcastically said a recruit's mom was getting a bag of cash because they decided to attend Texas instead of UofM. And the MGoThoughtPolice got all up in arms and negged away. It's called sarcasm, people, and it doesn't always need to be identified as such with the little "/s" tag.
(Good Lord, am I really on the same side of this argument as the Mad Hatter?!?)
P.S. for the sake of completeness:
Link: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/010116aab.html
Burst of Impetus - Jarrod Wilson's endzone INT
FWIW, I've decided to stop writing my weekly diary on the boxscore. It just felt too much like work recently and was not fun anymore. That decision had nothing to do with the negative reaction I received from the MSU post. In my defense, I grew up in East Lansing. I dealt with spartans for 14 years. That's 14 years of getting your trees TP'd, your car windows soaped, your pumpkins smashed, and irritating bumper stickers placed on your car. All for what? Because we were the notorious UofM family on the block? So yes, if MSU blatantly flouts the spirit of the NCAA rules regarding improper benefits, I'm going to call them on it. Thanks to this post, I now know they followed the rules (wink, wink.) How decent of them.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:47 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 6:55 PM ^
It's obviously not an NCAA violation if Izzo is parading the team in Dallas in front of cameras. MSU is our number 3, and a distant number 3, rival at best. Yes, it's closer in basketball because we're more of a basketball state, but the obsession of nitpicking some potential NCAA violation that literally no one with authority cared about should stop. Our rival is Ohio State, our secondary rival is Notre Dame, both of those rivalries are national while the MSU rivalry is regional. This stuff makes us look petty, like Free Press worrying about counting stretching as practice time petty.
January 5th, 2016 at 11:45 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 8:03 PM ^
January 5th, 2016 at 8:24 PM ^
Should we send them to the football playoffs? Or the soccer teams, or the baseball and softball teams? Heck, why not send everyone involved in the athletic department. Sorry, this smacks of special treatment because Izzo brings in $$$ to the university, and AMATEUR ATHLETES are not supposed to get special treatment PER THE NCAA. So let's just end the facade and end amateur athletics as we know them and start paying players.
January 5th, 2016 at 9:52 PM ^
January 5th, 2016 at 10:45 PM ^
you really are missing the point here. State didn't send any of their other teams. In fact, if you read the article, you'll notice that they set up a special practice in Dallas to justify this farce. If they hadn't held a practice, it would have been a non-compliant trip. Do you really think that the team needed to travel FROM IOWA TO DALLAS AND BACK TO MINNESOTA to hold a practice when it would have been more cost effective to practice at Minnesota or fly back home and practice in East Lansing?
Students from the schools participating in the college football playoff should get to see their teams play. In order to do so, members of the normal student body had to enter a lottery. Members of every other sports team had to enter a lottery. Tom Izzo's team got a charter to the game, great seats IIRC, and other perks associated with a bowl trip. This little junket cost their AD $40K. That doesn't seem like a reasonable expenditure to me.
January 5th, 2016 at 11:51 PM ^
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January 5th, 2016 at 8:19 PM ^
Cream cheese on the bagel.... Bad!
January 6th, 2016 at 12:05 AM ^