Nassar Sentence: 40-175

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The judge brings the hammer.

Judge sentences Nassar to 40-175 years. "I just signed your death warrant. You don't get it. You're a danger."

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) January 24, 2018

I believe a C-ya is in order.

UMfan21

January 24th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

40-125 years for the seven counts in Ingham County.  He still has 3 counts pending in Eaton County next week.  Still not enough, but he will die in prison regardless.

 

Would have been nice to have all 180 something counts against him just to show what a monster he truly is.

brad

January 24th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^

I think it was part of his plea deal. They know he's going for the rest of his life, they can't execute I guess, so they gave him this "deal". Another part of the plea deal was his forced presence at those victim statements. Aside from hoping things go poorly for him in prison, there's nothing more the court can do, as I understand.

BoFan

January 24th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

I found this full Nassar timeline which is mostly about when and where the abuse started and continued, including who failed to report. Those that failed to report should be convicted. But pre MSU and Olympic team it had some interesting details:


(1) North Farmington High grad late 70’s
(2) Undergrad degree in kinesiology from Michigan in ‘85 where he worked with the Football team and Track team. Anyone know him?
(3) A few years at Wayne State before MSU.
(4) Dr/Osteopath degree from MSU in ‘93

JohnnyV123

January 24th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

I would be absolutely shocked if he was not killed in prison. My friend went to jail for three years for statutory rape (he 100% deserved this) and when someone found out that he had some kind of sex crime with a minor without knowing the slightly mitigating details of it being consensual he knocked out my friend with a punch from behind.

A lot of people are going to know who Nassar is. I don't like his survival chances.

MC5-95

January 24th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^

Charlie Pierce is one of my favorite writers, and he hits it out of the park with this SI piece:

Burn it all down. That is the calm and reasoned conclusion to which I have come as one horror story after another unspooled in the courtroom. Nobody employed in the upper echelons at USA Gymnastics, or at the United States Olympic Committee, or at Michigan State University should still have a job. If accessorial or conspiracy charges plausibly can be lodged against those people, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Those people should come out of civil courts wearing barrels. Their descendants should be answering motions in the 22nd Century. In fact, I can argue convincingly that none of those three institutions should continue to exist in its current form. USA Gymnastics and the USOC should lose their non-profit status forthwith. Michigan State should lose its status within the NCAA for at least five years. American gymnastics is no longer a sport. It’s a conspiracy of pedophiles and their enablers.

Full story here: https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/01/24/larry-nassar-sentencing-usa-gymnastics-abuse-victims-michigan-state?utm_campaign=si-olympics&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si

MC5-95

January 24th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

Holy shit:

Where are the other coaches in East Lansing? Where is Tom Izzo, who makes four million bucks a year to coach basketball? Where is Mark Dantonio, who makes just about as much to coach football? Larry Nassar worked for the same athletic department as they do. In a recent press conference, Izzo fumbled all over himself to the point where Aly Raisman’s mother cranked up a flamethrower on Twitter.

MC5-95

January 24th, 2018 at 2:00 PM ^

It's all worth reading, but I've now posted the MSU related pieces:

Both Izzo and Dantonio went out of their way to support MSU president Lou Ann Simon, who probably should be transported to the apartment in Rome recently vacated by the late Bernard Cardinal Law. Nice to know that these two highly paid public employees know who the real victim is. And the school’s gymnastics coach tried to coerce her athletes into signing a card to support Nassar when the first charges began to come down. This is unfathomable to me. I believe it also would be unfathomable to Vlad the Impaler.

Go Blue in Tampa

January 24th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^

So I have spent my career in the law defending people accused of crimes, most recently those accused of things similar to Nasser.  I have also been standing next to those defendants when lengthy prison sentences are handed out.  Generally what happens next is the following:

1. He will be placed on suicide watch based on the length of the sentence.  Where I practice, anything over 20 years gets you at least one night of 1 to 1 observation.

2. Prisons do typically have segregation units for people with these types of charges, but surprisingly there is also a hierarchy of sex offenders (those who abuse adults are higher up the chain than those who abuse children) so his safety would not be gaurenteed even in that pod.

3. The sentence imposed in State court will run consecutive to the federal charges, meaning at a minimum he would serve 100 years minus the year time served and whatever "good behavior" time he is granted.  That amount is determined by the jurisdiction (federal time determined by federal department of corrections, state time by state)

4. Judges are usually way more angry and verbose than this one was, given the amount of things she heard.  Having practiced in criminal courts for 15 years, she seems like a tame judge compared to some I have run accross.

5. The letter Nasser sent to the Judge sounds an awful lot like the ones I have seen over the years, where they do more harm than good.

Also, shout out to the defense attorneys who had to sit there and hear all of those statements and still show no emotion.  They were true professionals and should be acknowledged as such.  The fact that there were people threatening them is terrible.  I sympathize with them.  They were upholding one of my personal beliefs that everyone, EVERYONE, deserves a voice in the process...Even those who commit crimes.

Lampuki22

January 24th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^

..ala OJ, or the Menendez brothers? I don't recall seeing anything on that so I assume they were not, for the sake of the victims but they shoudl have worke dout some kind of camera angel where you could only hear the victims voices and see Nassar, his lawyers, and Simon etc. while they were in court.  Could something like that be edited after the fact to add to the exposure.  

When I worked in a courtroom during law school, there were cameras available in all angles and the kept tapes on file to run back testimony, etc. Seems doable. 

Perkis-Size Me

January 24th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^

Even if he only got 40 years, that is effectively still life in prison unless he somehow gets out on parole at the ripe old age of 94. But odds are he'll never see the outside of a jail cell ever again. 

I honestly wonder how long he'll last in there. Especially if he's in general population. If you asked me, it wouldn't at all shock me to hear 2-3 years from now that the guards came by his cell one morning and found that he'd hung himself or found a razor blade and slit his wrists. If it doesn't come from the realization that he's lost everything in his life and ruined the lives of hundreds of women, it could come from knowing that the minute he sets foot in prison, he's fresh meat. From knowing that before too long, he's going to get a first-hand experience of what he did to his victims. 

Not that I look to prison inmates for any sign of a moral compass, but I have to believe that a man who sexually abuses little girls is going to be pretty low on their totem pole. Maybe just a smidge above being the prison snitch. 

LeadersAndBeasts

January 24th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^

I am so glad they dropped the hammer on Larry. I’ve also been impressed with spartan nation (excluding the leadership) 99% of Spartys are rightfully outraged and I expect them to keep the pressure on Simon/Hollis ect. However...that got me thinking. Would they be as outraged if it threatened their Footballl/Basketball team? Look at how many Penn st folks still refuse to live in reality. Now that Larry has been put away, I have to believe the focus will shift to USGA and MSU. When that happens, I bet the Appling/Paine Alleged rapes will come back into focus, along with those that swept them under the rug. I’ll be curious to see how much outrage there is for those victims.

S'all Good Man

January 24th, 2018 at 2:43 PM ^

As a human we should hope that there were less people complicit than more. As UofM fans I don't see how bringing down the broader MSU and by extension hurting the Big Ten is a good thing. Yes, the investigation will go on and will probably result in the removal of high level administrators. Having our main rival get the death penalty in all sports, like some are suggesting, is not only ridculous but short-sighted for our long-term goals of winning on the field and playing the best of the best. 

kehnonymous

January 24th, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^

In a way it's always felt a bit incongruous that what initially lassoed Nassar wasn't the hundreds of girls he molested but child pr0n.  Child porn is obviously abhorrent but it almost feels like Al Capone's tax returns.

The next step though is holding his enablers accountable.  While monster who plumbs the depths of perversion like Nassar is a one-in-a-million occurence, the culture of silence and shame that enables not only him but other lesser* sexual predators to florish is still all too commonplace.  MSU and USAG may have been the perfect storm of complicity but a similar tragedy could happen anywhere else where we hear but fail to listen or believe.  I called the Office of Public Affairs at Michigan to urge them to proactively ensure now that we'll be ready if a similarly unthinkable scenario is discovered on our campus.   

The ultimate tragedy wasn't that MSU and USAG liked having a serial molester in their midst.  I'm sure that, to a man or woman, 99.9% of the leadership doesn't want a serial rapist in their midst and finds such abuses to be utterly sickening.  The problem was that they didn't find them sickening enough to take action to stop them.

 

** - the other obvious thing that must be said:  although other sexual predators' crimes will likely be less awful in their sum total than Nassar, they're each equally jarring for whoever their victims are.

Wolverine_in_n…

January 24th, 2018 at 2:44 PM ^

I want to rush to judgment and say beat him and castrate him. However, having him sit in solitary confinement the rest of his miserable life is a great sentence. He will be out there due to his conviction and his known name across the prison system.
He will rot in prison and that almost is enough. Besides a possible daily routine of having the boys come into his room.

Human Torpedo

January 24th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

Those sick people need to avoid sending death threats to his defense attorney and his kids, though. In this republic, we have a constitution that must be upheld and the 6th amendment clearly grants every citizen here, no matter how heinous a criminal, legal council. It's a total disservice to those victims now survivors to think you're acting on the behalf by going after the defense lawyer who is just doing his job. You aren't in any way shape or form to tell you the truth

FlexUM

January 25th, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^

Out of curiosity has there been any talk about what parents knew or heard? I'm just curious. I worked with women's gymnastics at bowling green (i'm an athletic trainer) years back and honestly unless there is a major medical issues most of the athletes just get treatment and go about there day. But I also wonder how many parents were told and what they did with the info? This is a very sensitive thing to talk about (which shows how courageous these women are) so many of them may not have said anything to their parents.

I just wonder because from my experience a whole lot of dads would be showing up the next day if their daughter told them this. Actually, a whole lot of dads would have been showing up at nassar's office in my experience. On the other hand as someone who has been very close to gymnastics and that whole culture it's freaking weird. The culture is "listen to your coaches and shut the f*ck up" at the elite level. 

I assume what happened is a few young women bravely told people at msu and they were ignored or virtually threatened to not say anything and the women just were quiet after that. 

I hope they map out the entire thing so we can see what happened and prevent it from happening in the future. I honestly can't even read these articles it makes me want to kill someone. 

ChiBlueBoy

January 26th, 2018 at 11:15 AM ^

This sort of crime, by its nature, often leads the victims to not talk about it to anyone--particularly parents. Those who reported the abuses to the school were incredibly brave. For MSU personnel to ignore these reports is disgusting and reprehensible and, depending on their culpability, perhaps criminal.