The myth that "the cupboard was bare"
I couldn't remember most of the guys we had on defense in 2008, so I went and looked them up and what they were rated when they were being recruited. I just went along with the people that said things like "there wasn't much talent" and things like that. But I went and looked up the starters in 2008, and here they are:
Morgan Trent Senior - 4 stars
John Thompson Senior - 3 stars
Terrance Taylor Senior- 4 stars
Will Johnson Senior - 4 stars
Charles Stewart Senior - 3 stars
Donnavon Warren Sophomore - 5 stars
Tim Jamison Senior - 4 stars
Stevie Brown Junior - 4 stars
Troy Woolfolk Sophomore - 3 stars
Obi Ezeh Sophomore - 3 stars (although he was a running back in hs)
Jonas Mouton Sophomore - 4 stars
Brandon Graham Sophomore - 5 stars
I realize most of these guys didn't play in these last two years, but in 2008 the defense was still bad and there's no way it should have been that bad. It was defninitely piss poor coaching. I'd kill for that defense now! Can't wait for Hoke to restore order.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:02 PM ^
Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid
February 10th, 2011 at 3:04 PM ^
Should I bite? Why not? :)
"I couldn't remember most of the guys we had on defense in 2008, so I went and looked them up and what they were rated when they were being recruited."
That was your first problem. For a guy with so many points, you haven't learned much here, have you?
Let's see what the offense looked like for most of that year (rating, years as a starter)
WR: Matthews, 4-star, ONE
WR: Odoms, 3-star, ZERO
WR: Stonum/Clemens, 4-star, ZERO
TE: Koger, 3-star, ZERO
T: Ortman, 3-star, ZERO
G: Schilling, 5-star, ONE
C: Molk, 3-star, ZERO
G: Ferrara, 3-star, ZERO
T: McAvoy, 3-star, ZERO
QB: Threet, 4-star (He MUST be good!!!), ZERO
RB: Minor, 4-star, ZERO
How many starters you see there, 'x?
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Maybe you just posted this as a joke. In that case, well done!
February 10th, 2011 at 3:21 PM ^
I did kind of get the feeling that the OP was Muah-hahaha-ing on the other end of the keyboard....this is one of those situations where the OP is either so smart he convinces us he's an idiot by posting ridiculousness, ORRRR he's just an idiot.
I'll side with Occam and give 100-1 odds for the former.
February 11th, 2011 at 5:11 PM ^
Like Murphy, he was an optimist.
February 10th, 2011 at 4:19 PM ^
IIRC, the starters along the line in 2008 were Ortmann, McAvoy/Ferrara, Molk, Moosman, and Schilling (from L to R).
Your point still stands, but Moosman was a better lineman than McAvoy/Ferrara.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:04 PM ^
How come these fucking retards still can't learn that recruiting stars has NOTHING to do with the bare cupboard argument?
Look at the 2005-2007 classes. Very few of the 4/5 stars played like it. Virtually none of the 3 stars exceeded expectations, so the busts weren't canceled out. There were big attrition problems in these classes even before RR was hired.
RR was dealt a bad hand. He is gone today because he played that bad hand poorly. END.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:11 PM ^
What I find interesting is that Brady Hoke will have to play that hand for another year or so, depending on how you view the '08 class.
5th-year seniors next year are all Lloyd guys. On the plus side, there are a few good ones (Molk, RVB, etc.). On the minus side, well ...
Look at '08, too. More than half of that class should be considered Lloyd's. Plus side? Mike Martin, obviously. There are some minuses.
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Here's $5 that the whole @#$%ing thing will be blamed on RichRod, just like some of the senile Old Blues have blamed him for the Appalachian State loss.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:22 PM ^
I heard some elderly gentlemen discussing the struggling housing market and they all agreed that the blame falls squarely on Rodriguez's shoulders. Anything to avoid looking at themselves and their shortcomings as fans . . .
February 10th, 2011 at 3:08 PM ^
You are the smartest, most amazing judge of football talent ever. And to couple that with such impermiable logic is truly amazing. Then throw in the creativity as well. Congrats.
February 10th, 2011 at 7:34 PM ^
Sarcasm and snark all rolled into one. +1
February 10th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^
That is all.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^
I love how the OP overlooked Brandon Graham, then edited him in after the fact but didn't pull back one of the starters.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:11 PM ^
February 10th, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^
Who negged PurpleStuff for merely stating a FACT.
February 10th, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^
I'll point out that RR was 0-3 against OSU if that makes them feel better.
/Point whore
February 10th, 2011 at 5:47 PM ^
If preformance against tuos is the gauge, then why are people talking about how rr left hoke a loaded team? judging by just those games the cupboard is more bare now than it has ever been
February 10th, 2011 at 3:11 PM ^
Is just a short trip for you to...
February 10th, 2011 at 3:14 PM ^
please take it down, please take it down.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:15 PM ^
I haven't seen a neg-bomb this hardcore in a while. That's a special kind of fail.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:22 PM ^
i don't think the site is recording votes in overall point tally.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:43 PM ^
No but it's still funny to see tangible evidence of the level of idiocracy of the OP and the fact that everybody still clicks on the down button in the hopes that he'll get negged back to the third world.
I can see this turning into that episode of family guy with Norm McDonald where Peter injurs Death so the rules of death don't apply and everyone starts doing crazy things because they can.
You mean the rules of Neg don't apply?!
In either case the kids from Dawson's creek need to pay.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:45 PM ^
Did you change your username?
February 10th, 2011 at 4:24 PM ^
No, I just am realatively new to the site and have only recently started participating (as opposed to just reading) on the boards. I follow mainly for the main-page educational content. A lot of the guys like Brian and the Mathlete have taught me a lot in the last few months.
February 10th, 2011 at 9:14 PM ^
Tactical Neg press > to use.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:16 PM ^
I think we've spent enough time on this. Let's move on. I have several suggestions:
- RR ran off Mallett: Myth or Fact?
- Boren left because of RR's poor family values: Myth or Fact?
- RR shredded the only copy of all of WVU's most precious student records: Myth or Fact?
- RR doesn't understand the rivalry: Myth or Fact?
- RR puts players in jeopardy by making them work out 2 to 3 times longer than the NCAA allows: Myth or Fact?
As I see it, none of these topics has been discussed to my satisfaction. I hope someone starts a new thread about each and every one.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:56 PM ^
Duuuuuuuuude! You forgot:
6. ALL of RR recruits were midgets, meaning they were all under 5'8" _and_ 180 pounds, even the defensive linemen. They were fast, though! Needless to say, they got pushed around during the Big Ten schedule. Stupid Rodriguez!
7. RR ran an offense (the spread) that is inferior to the best offense of all time, the PRO-style offense. It's the type of offense that is used in PRO football and is, therefore, a blessed offense.
Others?
February 10th, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
6. ALL of RR recruits were midgets, meaning they were all under 5'8" _and_ 180 pounds, even the defensive linemen, and they were all dread-headed thugs from Florida instead of good, hardy, midwestern boys who drink their milk and walk Mama to church every morning and have haircuts you can set your watch to, like Johnny Unitas. They were fast, though! Needless to say, they got pushed around during the Big Ten schedule. Stupid Rodriguez!
February 10th, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^
Meaningful contribution right now, considering:
The coach that was here in 2008 has already been fired AND it was 3 years ago AND you really did an intensive breakdown of the factors that led to this AND it's funny you chose, of all things that are soooo easy criticize from 2008, our D to be the scapegoat for our terrible season.
I agree with the poster somewhere above who says our D pretty much won the Wisconsin game for us.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:18 PM ^
Rich Rod posts make me feel like Hamlet.
"O, that this too too solid flesh would melt
Thaw and resolve itself into a dew!
Or that the Everlasting had not fix'd
His canon 'gainst self-slaughter!"
February 10th, 2011 at 3:19 PM ^
There are far too many pretentious assholes on this site, and the responses to this show it. That's a shame as well, because normally, I'm a fan of pretentious assholes (see Steve Spurrier, and Oscar Wilde). If every blind person in the world, gained a portion of their eye sight back, every time some bashed an opinion as not worth their time, we'd solve blindness in a month. I mean for fucks sake, are you guys serious? I need to open up a site, consisting solely of Images, that people can post lettering over. Some of you guys, would put my kids through Ivy league schools. All I'm saying, is stop acting like obnoxious Ohio State fans.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
All I'm saying, is stop acting like obnoxious Ohio State fans.
Says the guy who:
1) Uses terrible grammar
2) Thinks the 2008 team was "8-9 win team at worst"
3) Is a "fan of pretentious assholes"
4) Thinks "admitigated" is a word
5) Thinks the Big Ten is the only conference with teams that run the ball effectively.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:38 PM ^
6) Attributes a Frank Sinatra quote* in his signature to the much less cool Dean Martin.
Don't let Go Blue Eyes see you.
*http://www.alternativereel.com/includes/top-ten/display_review.php?id=0…
February 10th, 2011 at 3:44 PM ^
It's neither of theirs, it was originally said by Joey Bishop in his New York act, to liven up the audience. Frank said it, Dean said it. You'll find several sites, who will credit all 3 of them, at one or another time, with saying it. But thanks for the research, it's rare I get to talk about the rat pack.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:40 PM ^
1.) I spelled a word wrong, that is hardly ever in anyones vocabulary. Forgive me, that makes me an idiot I suppose.
2.) I'm not the only one who thinks that, and it's hardly an opinion to insult anyone over.
3.) You should work for Karl Rove
4.) I like how you spoke about grammar in two spots, when I only spelled a single word wrong. So, with that being said, are you going to say, you've never spelled a single word wrong on this board? Because I guarantee you have.
5.) When did I say the Big Ten is the only conference that can run the ball well?
Angry people, who talk a lot behind computers.That wouldn't even stand in Bolivia.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:50 PM ^
Apparently you don't understand that he word "grammar" means more than just spelling words correctly............
February 10th, 2011 at 3:51 PM ^
I find it hilarious to watch people wallow in ignorance when said ignorance is easily cured by a google search.
February 10th, 2011 at 4:34 PM ^
I imagine there are several things wrong with you, that could be easily solved by a google search.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^
Please enlighten me, Heminway. By the way, there should've been a comma after apparently. Also, grammar stands by it self, it doesn't need to be attributed to someone else.
February 10th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^
This is getting funnier by the minute; don't stop.
February 10th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^
Let me do a Google search to see how to combat your latest post.
::Does Google search::
Nothing to my liking, although I did find a great story about men on internet forums, using celebrity heads in their pictures.
February 10th, 2011 at 6:08 PM ^
He's the guy that wrote "A Farwell To Arms" and "The Sun Also Ries", yes?
February 10th, 2011 at 8:26 PM ^
By the way, there should've been a comma after apparently. Also, grammar stands by it self, it doesn't need to be attributed to someone else.
- No, there really shouldn't have been a comma there. It may be that you are just using way, WAY too many commas in your own writing. It isn't even close.
- You can't use a comma to connect two independent clauses (i.e. "grammar stands by itself" and "it doesn't need to be attributed to someone else"). That is known as a comma splice. You need to use a semi-colon or a period.
- "It self" is not a thing. The word is "itself."
- You can't... oh, you know what, screw it. Just stop now.
February 11th, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^
What I've got.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:24 PM ^
ALERT! This is as close to an "emo whine" post as it gets. I demand justice. To Bolivian you should go! Jackass.
February 10th, 2011 at 3:27 PM ^
I don't think your kids are getting into an Ivy League school, even if you do have the money for it.
Now what's that you were saying about posters here being assholes? :P
February 10th, 2011 at 3:29 PM ^
Has Brian given us an up-to-date ETA on voting's back online?
February 10th, 2011 at 3:34 PM ^
You should probably take some time off from posting, champ.
Everything you post is an "admitigated" disaster.