The myth that "the cupboard was bare"

Submitted by UMxWolverines on

I couldn't remember most of the guys we had on defense in 2008, so I went and looked them up and what they were rated when they were being recruited. I just went along with the people that said things like "there wasn't much talent" and things like that. But I went and looked up the starters in 2008, and here they are:

Morgan Trent Senior - 4 stars

John Thompson Senior - 3 stars

Terrance Taylor Senior- 4 stars

Will Johnson Senior - 4 stars

Charles Stewart Senior - 3 stars

Donnavon Warren Sophomore - 5 stars

Tim Jamison Senior - 4 stars

Stevie Brown Junior - 4 stars

Troy Woolfolk Sophomore - 3 stars

Obi Ezeh Sophomore - 3 stars (although he was a running back in hs)

Jonas Mouton Sophomore - 4 stars

Brandon Graham Sophomore - 5 stars

I realize most of these guys didn't play in these last two years, but in 2008 the defense was still bad and there's no way it should have been that bad. It was defninitely piss poor coaching. I'd kill for that defense now!  Can't wait for Hoke to restore order.

 

MichFan1997

February 10th, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^

stars are a guide to how good a player might be. In general speaking terms, stars are a very good gauge. But you can't just throw stars down and expect a good defense. It fails to mention that the previous two years saw the subtraction of literally the entire starting defense outside of Terrance Taylor. Yes, there was bad coaching, but the argument that "This is Michigan" doesn't fly, and it seems like that's what you're arguing here.

You are also completely neglecting the offense. Do you know many starters returned that year? I'll give you a hint. It's less than 2.

YouremyboyBlue

February 10th, 2011 at 3:31 PM ^

The argument that the cupboard was bare was NOT just on defense.  In fact, in my view, the cupboard was even more bare on offense than defense.  In fact, I would argue that the horrendous offensive performances often times led to horrible defensive performances (turnovers, 3 and outs, etc.) 

Also, what was our defensive depth like in 2008?  That would be interesting to see...

EZMIKEP

February 10th, 2011 at 2:57 PM ^

Where were all those seniors and great guys ready to take over in 2009? 2010? Did you seriously think it all through before you thought about hitting enter, or did you just have a fuck it moment where you decided to stir up a controversy that didnt even exist? 

UMfan21

February 10th, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^

Look at overall depth.  You'll see the defense was good in 2008 but thin.  The offense was non-existent.

RR brought the offense back to respectability, but the thin depth at defense in 2008 was not addressed in time, and ultimately led to what we saw last year.

profitgoblue

February 10th, 2011 at 3:18 PM ^

I'm a Board-Appointed advocate and, as such, I take all matters on a pro bono basis.  No payment occurs, except maybe some expense reimbursement.  I only do it out of the goodness of my heart and my desire to give something back to the MGoCommunity.  It'll be fun to see if the point system all of a sudden kicks into action and tabulates all of the votes from the past few weeks.  That would be awesome.

jcgary

February 10th, 2011 at 3:01 PM ^

If I remember correctly the defense was the only reason we were in a couple games that year.  When you have an offense that basically does nothing but 3 and outs all game long it is pretty hard for the defense to make stops all the time. 

And we may have had some good recruits starting but did we have anyone behind them.  The secondary and linebackers the last 2 seasons makes me think we didn't.