MSU. Why no investigative reporting?
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/081609aaa.html
read the 2nd paragraph
August 31st, 2009 at 12:07 AM ^
It's because they're focused on family values and have recruiting in the state of Michigan on Lockdown.
Also, they give reporters punch and pie.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:09 AM ^
Dammit we went so long without a MSU post, but 6 minutes into the beginning of the week, a MSU post pops up. Argh, my hope of a week with no MSU posts has been dashed. There's always next week I suppose.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:31 AM ^
well, this applies to us...
August 31st, 2009 at 12:10 AM ^
start writing.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 AM ^
You could swap the final sentence of that paragraph with a couple of the quotes in the FP article without changing a thing.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 AM ^
They already "investigated" MSU and found that they run a clean ship.
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By Rosenburg's math, that link is proof that Michigan State is practicing 14 hours per day, and headed for NCAA sanctions for major violations. Nice find.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 AM ^
They can't investigate a football program if there isn't one to investigate. To the best of my knowledge there is no program at msu. They're all studying "grass", eh, turf.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:03 AM ^
You win!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:14 AM ^
I have no sarcastic comment and actually think you have a point there, haha. Second paragraph seems to describe exactly what the Freep is complaining about.
Stokes (UM) - "Hooooo!" Stokes said. "A typical week is working from 8 a.m. in the morning to 6 or 7 at night, Monday through Saturday."
Maxwell (MSU) - "A typical day consists of showing up for meetings as early as 7:30 a.m. and being dismissed after our final meeting at 9:30 p.m. In those 14 hours, we have meetings, practice, lunch, more meetings, film sessions, dinner and meetings."
What Maxwell describes at MSU is actually worse than what Stokes describes at UM. Someone write an expose quick!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:36 AM ^
And when you read the interview of Stokes, not once did he say they worked 8am to 7pm - because the coaches MADE US DO IT. Maybe, just maybe, the players are taking it upon themselves to work hard and get better this year.
Those who stay will be champions. Those who stay and work hard, practice, lift weights and actually give a shit will have a better chance at becoming champions.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:17 AM ^
It's the pre-season. I don't think the in-season and off-season time limits are in effect for the pre-season.
i.e. 2-a-days.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:20 AM ^
you could argue hawthorne and stokes are freshman and thus speaking of 2 a days also.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:22 AM ^
if what they were talking about happened in the 3 weeks before the WMU game (i believe) then it's good. if it was during what was considered off-season, then it would have to be voluntary to be good.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:24 AM ^
i see what you're saying. but again to argue, they spoke to stokes less than 2 weeks prior to the WMU game.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:31 AM ^
the author references June with Stokes. But it's pretty obvious that what Stokes and Hawthorne were doing was voluntary. Why enroll early, after all, if you didn't want to practice and work out?
but the MSU thing would clearly fall under pre-season.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 AM ^
this whole story needs to die a quick death.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:18 AM ^
I would give anything to be able to call up Rosenberg and read that quote to him and then listen to him ramble on about how it's not the same thing. I would also like to hear his take on michigan's team gpa last year. Michigan players learn pretty good considering they fall asleep in class all the time because of the couple extra hours of workouts. I had class with a plenty of football players over the past two years, and in kinesiology (which is the department that most of them are in) the classes are so small that there is no way you can fall asleep. This whole thing is so rediculous. I think when I wake up tomorrow I'm just gonna ignore it. Afterall, it's game week!!!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:22 AM ^
limits are waived for preseason camp.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:26 AM ^
You're such a buzzkill.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:29 AM ^
Are we sure this is limited to camp? This being MSU's long days?
August 31st, 2009 at 8:47 AM ^
The guy who wrote the article is a freshman who hasn't gone through midseason stuff yet.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:49 AM ^
to a certain extent. I read that there can only be 5 hours of mandatory practicing and if you do two a days there has to be at least 3 hours between them.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:46 AM ^
Waived or not, it still completely shoots down a HUGE part of Rosenberg's bullshit. This guy Maxwell's a freshman too, so there's no possible way he's talking about any different part of the season than Stokes and Hawthorne, who were, as we all know "apparently unaware of the rules." Rosenberg's insinuation - nay, accusation - was that these two freshmen were being abused in violation of the rules. Whether or not MSU is in violation, this hands Rosenberg his ass.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:26 AM ^
I send the link along to Snyder in a very politely worded email. I wonder if I get a response.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:30 AM ^
If MSU is truly the dominant/relevant/popular/what-have-you instate program, wouldn't it make more sense to slander them? It seems to me that it would be much more conducive to selling papers to attack the "better" team. Let's face it, yes MSU beat us, but nationally we'll always have more respect, a bigger fanbase, and they'll be looked at as a lower class team that plays second fiddle to basketball. So, yes these are very serious allegations against us, but as they say no publicity is bad publicity. The media is keeping relevant, and I look at it like that. If they go after the bigger team, the one more people care about, it will generate more press for them. Call me crazy
August 31st, 2009 at 12:40 AM ^
MSU is irrelevant. True story.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:37 AM ^
Blue McMaize.... thanks for the link... that kind of schedule goes on Everywhere...
Anyone who is going to argue that Rosenberg is not guilty of a witch hunt vs. RR can step off now.
quote from the link:
"We're almost a full week into it and preseason camp is everything all of us freshmen expected it to be: learning a completely new style of football, working hard every day to try and move our way up the depth chart, meeting new people and trying to fit in with the flow of things, and trying to get used to this totally foreign schedule. A typical day consists of showing up for meetings as early as 7:30 a.m. and being dismissed after our final meeting at 9:30 p.m. In those 14 hours, we have meetings, practice, lunch, more meetings, film sessions, dinner and meetings."
August 31st, 2009 at 12:41 AM ^
...we need more than just the link b/c they'll probably take that page down by tomorrow.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:52 AM ^
yeah i was thinking that too... so i made a copy of it lol... and i emailed it to rosendouche and snyder too...
August 31st, 2009 at 12:58 AM ^
Not that it would matter, but I'm sure it would live on somewhere.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:50 AM ^
I took screenshots before Brian explained this is different and killed everything.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:57 AM ^
Wow it's a good thing the piece in the freep was such a well researched and balanced piece.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:46 AM ^
I'll attempt to answer this in more general terms:
We shouldn't have short memories. In the oh so distant world of 21 months ago, we were never subjected to this scrutiny while for State, it was nothing new. There were people writing long articles about their failings, etc so often it was as if they got more coverage than us.
Now, new coach + losses + State doing better than expectations = role reversal for now
August 31st, 2009 at 9:21 AM ^
I would love to see what he would have to say about this.