MSU Still Billing Abuse Victim

Submitted by HelloHeisman91 on
Disgraced former USA Gymnastics team doctor Larry Nassar’s sentencing entered its fifth day in a Michigan courtroom on Monday, when the number of sexual assault survivor impact statements eclipsed 100, and among the morning’s powerful speakers was 15-year-old Emma Ann Miller. Miller was not shaken by Nassar’s presence, informing Judge Rosmarie Aquilina and the courtroom that — one year after USA Gymnastics reportedly fired Nassar amid complaints of abuse and one week before Michigan State University did the same — she may have been the doctor’s final victim. Miller then turned her focus to MSU Sports Medicine, where Nassar was employed until September of 2016. That’s right: Miller, standing beside her mother, told the court that the state university’s clinic is still billing them for the appointments during which she was allegedly abused — all while at least 14 MSU employees reportedly knew of Nassar’s behavior as early as 1997. And Miller did not stop there. https://sports.yahoo.com/sexual-abuse-survivor-says-michigan-state-stil…

Lampuki22

January 22nd, 2018 at 9:15 PM ^

To find the smoking guns, if I'm an investigator,  I'm going to interview the currentand former Sports Information Staff as soon as possible.  Those folks would have to know all that was gong on, but they are not well paid staff with lot at stake (like school officials, coaches in other sports, board members, etc).  MSU likely destroyed as much written evidence as soon as they figured this out several years ago so you are going to need testimony of honest people (not an easy find in the Landfill)

Find the small fish in the Landfill who still have a soul to maintain.  Better yet, find the people that have left or quit in the past 10 years (expecially those who aren't MSU alumni)   who might know facts, and get them to talk under oath.  That will provide a roadmap to the coverup and who is involved and save everyone a lot of time and money.  

Lampuki22

January 22nd, 2018 at 9:07 PM ^

There was an attorney on WTKA this morning. I didn't catch his name, but he seemed to be saying he was a prof in Lansing (so Cooley or MSU Law).  It sounded to me like he was a regular caller or Sam called for some inside perspective. 

I could be wrong but this guy seemed to be making up facts.  Sam asked :who is going to pay for this"?  This guy said that it would be 100% paid by insurance even if it were a billion dollar settlement. He also said the governmental immunity defense MSU is using was not only a good strategy, but implied it was iron clad, and he seemed to be towing the MSU line on every issue.  

 I am not following the legal defense aspects of this case to closely, but it don't  seem like this guy, who is presumably an outsider, knows MSu's insurance policy let alone what their legal strategy is.  He seemed to me making broad assumptions but what floored me is that he presented them as fact and was doing the same with his students (or so he said).  It's true that the an insurer could be calling the shots behind the scenes, that's they way it works in commercial litigation. 

He also was completely devoid of any emotion for the victims and I felt he was trying to belittle Sam and the MSU backlash coming from the Mgo community.  The interview frankly made me want to vomit, and I'm a lawyer and understood everything he was claiming.  It's just that he was spewing opinion and speculation as fact to Sam (over the air)  and I thought that was very unprofessinal. I could be wrong but this guy soundled like a part of the MSU public relations machine. 

In fact this fellow said that he used this case as an example of how lawyers need to remove "emotion" from their decision making and stragey and be lawyers.  I get it but this is exactly what's wrong with this case.  MSU is an extenion of the State funded mostly with public funds. I'm sure it's charter claims that extists for the students and residents of the State.  It is acting like a citizen with no obligation to taxpayers, residents, students, etc.  Very very sad and frankly pathetic.    

 

Blue in Paradise

January 23rd, 2018 at 12:21 AM ^

I listen to the TMI podcasts and Mark is a huge Michigan fan, not MSU - at least not in terms of sports. And he always talks in that emotionless monotone. I didn’t hear his entire call today but he made a good point that the culture of big-time women’s gymnastics was part of the reason that the girls and their families allowed this monster to get away his crimes. They are taught that you listen to your coaches and trainers and, no matter how much pain you are putting your body through, you keep competing no matter what. I have seen a few documentaries over the years about this sport and it was one of things I thought about as well. This psychopath found the perfect situation to commit his serial crimes.

redjugador24

January 22nd, 2018 at 11:00 PM ^

Sorry if this was already posted in other thread but I didn't see it. This Detroit News Artcile was the first I'd seen the details of these examples from the 1990's of the culture of denial at MSU.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2018/01/18/msu-president-told-nassar-complaint-2014/1042071001/

It's amazing to think that Lianna Hadden and Destiny Teachner-Hauk are both STILL EMPLOYED TODAY, while it's quite likely Teachner-Hauk ends up in prison after lying to the FBI last year and to interal investigators during the 2014 Title IX investigation. But MSU doesn't feel the need to suspend them. Two victims testified last week that they told these women about Nassar in the 1990's.  The fact that both of them are not at the very least suspended is a clear example of why Simon and the entire BoT need to go.  What could MSU possibly be waiting for to suspend them? These women are accused of silencing victims, one lied about it to investigators, and they both continue to be trainers at MSU to this day.  I get that they're trying to shed any blame, but what happens if it turns out there's another predator still on staff that these people are covering for? How do you defend yourself if once again your inaction results in additional uneccesary victims? 

 

 

 

kehnonymous

January 23rd, 2018 at 12:49 AM ^

Not to make light of a thoroughly awful situation, but per Teachner-Hauk's MSU bio:

Her family includes her husband Kalman, and sons Trey, Storm, Xtreme, Legend Pain, and daughter Spirit

Even if she didn't enable the worse sex abuse scandal in collegiate history, she should be booked for negligent naming of children

Blue in Paradise

January 23rd, 2018 at 12:26 AM ^

No question that once the Nassar court case is finalized in the next week or two - that she is next. MSU absolutely have to go after her as an accomplice otherwise their whole plausible deniability defense goes out the window. They will say that she conspired either directly or indirectly with Nassar to keep her bosses (up the chain) in the dark. They have no choice.

Year of Revenge II

January 23rd, 2018 at 3:06 AM ^

This is not the direction in which things usually proceed.  It usually goes from the bottom to the top, and when you say, "they have no choice", you are certainly wrong.

On the other hand, she certainly is not off any legal hook because she retired. If popular sentiment can cause the DA to feel pressured, it could lead to her being charged.