MSU Settles With Victims for 500 Million
Seems low tbh.
I thought the same thing. I think the PSU victims total38 and PSU has currently paid 109 million. MSU and Nassar victims total 332!
Someone can correct me, but weren't only like 25-30 victims actual MSU students? Weren't a lot of the 300+ in this case people that were assaulted by Nassar elsewhere, but the argument is that MSU should have been on top of this which would have ended his ability to assault elsewhere?
Perhaps that impacts payouts?
He was working for / at MSU. In their clinic, I believe. So it doesn't matter whether or not the victims attended MSU, because they were treated at a clinic that MSU was responsible for.
Yes, there are victims elsewhere, but most of Nassar's work was for MSU, not for USA gymnastics. The gymnastics team element gets a lot of attention, but that's because the victims are famous, not because they are numerous.
Their lawyers got them a great deal on this.
Consider - MSU is only going to pay roughly 30% per victim what PSU paid Sandusky's victims, when MSUs conduct as an institution was an order of magnitude worse.
Fuck Penn State and their Joe Pa (Arch Enabler) lovin' miscreant fans.
of stealing $600 from a safe at a Chipolte in California, yeah, I would say it's low.
Then again, California is F'd up.
I moved here from Mi . So did a lot of grads. It's the largest out of state alumni location ( not NY ) . You didn't hear Ca has 1 out of 8 US citizens ? That this state is by itself the 5ht largest economy on the planet ? Oh, and we did not vote for DT. We have our problems but nothing like the state of Mi.
Sometimes damages are awarded as a deterrent. Other places will be leery about making false accusations. That’s not f’ed up.
This chapter is not closed. They need to clean house - starting with Coaches and administrators in place during this horror show. Special attention to those who led the MANY coverups
He'll just wear a teal ribbon and keep saying he'll talk about it eventually without ever intending to.
because now it's going to leave the news. MSU makes a (very large) one time payment and people nationally will forget about all the crap. It was barely staying in the public eye as it was. Seems like it's all but over now
Nobody nationally really gives two shits about a midwestern aggrecultural college. Other than those days when the victims, specifically the Olympic gymnast victims, confronted him in court they werent covering this story that aggressively either outside of brief interest from ESPN.
Dantonio's going back to his football team, Izzo's focused on recruiting and the rest of the world is focused on important issues like if that fucking computer is saying "Yanni or Laurel".
Are you more outraged about the perceived lack of negative coverage against Izzo/Dantonio or the sexual assault of young women?
I was merely stating what I believe to the next course of action here (nothing). Not sure where you get I was expressing "outrage" but hey man....whatever.
Faux outrage or GTFO!
I am outraged!!!
/FauxOutrage
What about the rest of you?
Bummer? You serious, Clark?
the next guy, but this goes well beyond a rivalry.
This has been an incredibly sad saga for the victims, embarrassing for the state of Michigan, just a tragedy all around. There is no need want this to stay in the news other than to continue twisting a knife in your rival and that's petty.
Better for the victims, the state, and everyone involved to get closure and move on with the healing process. Would be way worse for the victims to carry this out and that truly is what people should care about.
Another reason one would want it to stay in the news is to apply pressure to have MSU clean up their issues before moving on. Is Klages still getting paid?
and keep that piece of it in the news by voting out the BoT and continuing to demand change.
Never a good idea to rely on the media to solve your problems. They'll put in the news what people care about anyway, so it's on us to continue to care about culture change there.
Meh. If the victims are pleased with this, then go ahead and get it over with. I'll bet there's at least one woman who was abused who is behind on her mortgage or needs a new car, for whom nothing will truly heal the hurt she's suffered, but for whom a quick resolution is an umitigated blessing.
And if this hypothetical person is helped by this, that's more important than whether or not MSU is getting publicly excoriated to a sufficient degree.
There are two sides to the spotlight. Perhaps you'd like to tell the victims their presence and newsy-sounding quotes will be needed for the next five years or as long as it takes to make you feel like you've gotten your pound of flesh out of MSU?
This isn't about whether MSU has or hasn't squirmed enough, it's about getting some measure of justice, fixing the institutional problems, and then letting everyone move on with their lives. Repeatedly bashing the public over the head with it is going to make the public damn tired of it.
that's been a bonus.
What it IS about is the leadership of MSU. Those that covered up this bullshit and are STILL IN POSITIONS OF POWER. They talk a good story about changing the culture, but it's all talk as long as the BoT that victim blamed and the Athletic Department figures that allowed it to go on by covering up the reports, all in the name of protecting the reputation of the university, are still there.
It's all talk as long as Lou Anna Simon still has her retirement package golden parachute, instead of having her ass sitting in a cell next to Kathie Klages. As long as Mark Hollis is walking around bragging about how he retired instead of facing charges of his part of the cover-up.
I have a niece who saw Larry Nassar for gymnastic injuries, and thank God he never molested her, so this is VERY personal to my family. I'm very sorry for what the victims went through, but there is NO WAY MSU is going to actually change their culture and clean the shit up at their university if this just goes away in the media.
THAT is what it is about.
And she too wasnt molested or at least that's what she told her dad.
And every time his name is mentioned my partner says two things about the situation:
1. He was a damn good doctor according to him. Helped his daughter (a ballerina) out tremendously
2. He prays she's telling him the truth. But he'll never really know.
That makes my skin crawl. What in the absolute fuck.
the media will report what people want to read, click and share.
If anyone wants to change the MSU culture and leadership, they need to protest, they need to vote out the BoT, they need to make it be a news story that these people are still in power.
If the people don't care enough to do that, it's our own fault.
Pay the victims. Get this out of the newspapers and try to move on.
Not like any of the other stuff they’ve ignored could come out.
The $75m is held in reserve in case more Nassar victims come forward at a later date, according to the ESPN article
Another actuary can come on and correct me if I'm wrong (not my specialty here), but reserves are usually 20% for immediate malpractice claims. Obv this case is not textbook, but its weird that its so. . . normalized?
I wonder how much insurance is covering here.
I imagine the school has insurance for situations like this, but if I was a taxpayer in the state of Michigan the first thing I'd be thinking is that not one damn cent of my tax dollars should be going to fund this payout.
Not because I don't care about the victims or their well-being. But because this is MSU's fuck-up. And their fuck-up alone. They should be bearing the sole brunt of that cost. If they don't have all the money right away, find it from somewhere else.
Agreed, but how are we ever going to know where this money comes from? Will it be public record? Because we already know how MSU handles their records. My guess is MSU wont leave a money trail and it will never be talked about ending with the taxpayers and students basically paying the bill
That's a good point. The $ has to come from either the operating budget, the endowment (which may have liquidation impacts) or insurance. I would imagine there will be those looking to understand where it comes from. Will be interesting to seel.
because there's no way there's an cool half billion surplus in the operating budget. Insurance probably does cover some but I can't imagine the limits are that high. They might have the remaining 200-300 million in liquid assets in the endowment.
Anyone know what PSU's insurance covered for Sandusky?
PSU and the insurance company got in a big lawsuit that got rather nasty.
The insurance company was most likely the source of some "confidential documents" that got leaked and embarrassed PSU a bit.
After that happened, PSU and the insurance company decided it was best to settle. Figure that the insurance company paid some but not most.
Blegh.....what a fucked up world we live in. No matter what it seems like the bad guys always win.
You’re not suggesting that MSU plays loose with the reporting of Endowment funds activities are you?
I am skeptical. Tax payers pretty much foot the bill for anything rich people and I include those assholes in the position of power at MSU. This is an ongoing saga in our country, sad to say.
Surprising. I am guessing most of the victims probably wanted a quick resolution, but I am surprised that they settled this quickly and for that amount. They are getting about half the amount the Sandusky victims received on a per victim basis. There has not been any information about any institutional changes that may be required at MSU along with this settlement.
Using the attitude that has seemed to permeat this whole affair, I think the reason may be summed up thusly:
"At least he wasn't molesting little boys."
I was shocked that the amount was so meager; but then, I'm really not.
Whoa! That's 2 quarters of a billion dollars!!!
No one from MSU better even alude to this "making up" for jack shit. All this still happened and $ doesn't take it away.
I wonder how much is covered by insurance and how much will come out of general funds/state provisions via taxes. I have seen speculation on those fronts, but wonder who's footing this bill.
I think the state (taxpayers) should be on the hook for some of the cost of this. MSU is a state institution with oversite by elected officials. Those officials act as representatives of the people who elected them. When the peoples representatives screw up there is a cost to the people they are representing. I don’t think some consequences for the voters making poor decisions in who they elect is necessarily a bad thing.
Possible alternatives such as only allowing individuals who suffered harm from a state institution sue the individual responsible (which would severally limit the amount they can recover while also acting as a strong deterrent to having qualified individuals work for state institutions) or blanket immunity for all state institutions seem like less attractive alternatives.
Michigan voters have elected known stooges like Joel Ferguson to the MSU BoT multiple times.
Of course, most Michigan voters don't really pay much attention to MSU BoT election (ditto for the Michigan Board of Regents and Wayne State Board of Governors elections). But Ferguson and his ilk are only there because Michigan voters put them there. As such, Michigan voters cannot say they are completely non-at-fault for this.
At the very least, this should make Michigan voters pay more attention in those elections. And if Brian Breslin somehow gets re-elected this upcoming November? Well, the voters would get what they deserve.
Breslin has said he isn’t running