April 25th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^

The administration doesn't care about what the media says.  And the state government has so many MSU alums that I doubt they would institute real change.

If the Federal government steps in, that could be when the entire administration would be scared into making changes.


April 25th, 2018 at 11:00 AM ^

Pontificating without a general summary of fthe story is useless.  No doubt we all agree with the pontificated point, but throw a bone (article summary) here!


April 25th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^

but honestly, I have MSU battle fatigue at this point.


I hate to say I'm Example A of the problem, but my expectations for both the MSU administration, fan base and law enforcement officials have dropped all the way to zero.

If you tell me there is a sexual molester among high school volleyball athletes, by now I fully expect that they have a strong relationship with MSU. 

Of course they do.

I'm just numb to the fuckery up there in East Lansing. Both the willing fuckery and the rape fuckery.


April 25th, 2018 at 11:07 AM ^

Scathing title to the article:

“MSU is a cesspool of abuse and indifference is bottomless”

That is about as harsh as it gets in the media as they won’t use curse words.


April 25th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^

Until Engler and BOT is gone, no good change will come. 

Engler was brought in to bury this issue without big dents to their fundraising. He was not brought in to heal and make MSU a better place. The BOT took too long to get rid of Simon. And then ok'd someone worse than her to take over. They're just as despicable as Simon and Engler are. 


April 25th, 2018 at 11:22 AM ^

In the past I would jokingly say that Michigan State’s success came to fruition because they sold their soul to the devil. Now I believe that they are successful and had that success because they became the Devil.


April 25th, 2018 at 11:22 AM ^

They've allowed many sins and swept many more under the rug in the pursuit of athletic achievement. They're yet another school that got caught trying to cut corners so they could enter the realm of the "blue bloods"

To be confronted with the sins of their last 20-30 years and basically just go into damage control mode instead of actual repetence is repulsive.


April 25th, 2018 at 11:41 AM ^

This quote says it all:

"Owning up to your mistakes is never easy, and it is exponentially harder when the failings are as egregious as Michigan State’s. But not accepting the depth of its problems, or trying to make them go away as quickly and as quietly as possible, is what got the university in this trouble in the first place.

Penn State is often held up as the model of what not to do when faced with a sex abuse scandal. But what Michigan State has done, what it continues to do, is far worse"


So when does the University decide that the Cortez approach is not the way to go when your people have done and are continuing to do wrong? 


April 25th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^

Yeah, I would think so.  But lets look at the situation:

Engler and Snyder are both members of the same political party - they need to be in lock-step to win another election.  Differing on how to handle MSU would split the party.

Engler publicly backed Schuette for Govenor.  Differing on how to handle MSU would split the party.

Engler is close personal friends with several MSU big money boosters (as is Scheutte).  Rocking that boat isn't good for his lawyer business.

Engler was hired by the BoT to do exactly what he's doing.  Canning him would lead to somewhere the Board doesn't want to go.

Honestly, I don't see any changes coming for MSU, other than what Engler and the Board agree to.

Perkis-Size Me

April 25th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^

At this point, what does MSU have to lose by just coming out and saying "we fucked up, we know we did, we're sorry, take full responsibility, will do what we can to re-earn your trust, etc."? You can't really save face when there is no face left to save. Their reputation as an academic institution is tarnished, they're getting crushed by the media week in and week out, and I'm sure donations are far lower now than they would be otherwise. 

What ground do you really hope to gain by continuing to hold out and play indifference / victim-blaming to this whole situation? Who is really taking your side here? The students, faculty, alums, and boosters are all turning against you. Everyone already knows and believes what you refuse to publicly accept. That you've royally fucked up. 

I understand that Spartans were notorious for continuing the fight long after it should've been over. While noble in some cases, in this one......its despicable. Just rip the damn band aid off, already. 


April 25th, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^

MSU knows it can't do anything to stop the hit on its reputation amongst the general public.  They are only worried about their fan base, alumni, future students.  The "fuck the victims and ESPN" narrative keeps their pride intanct.  Sparty nation is drinking the kool aid and they will keep buying tickets, proud of the rebilious defiance of Mork and Izzo.  Their plan is working.  Sad but true.  This will be old news in a year and Sparty will be riding the gravy train again while Engler stuffs his face with BBQ in a mansion in Florida.  Crime pays.  Ask Penn State. 

MSU's strategy is working and it is brilliant in a lot of ways.  Disgusting, but brilliant.  If Sparty beats us again this year, the slappies will build Engler a statue.  




April 25th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^

I am beginning to he hopeful that lawyers will take every last dime from MSU. Might take years to do so however. Any kind of jury trial - without 100% Spartan slappies - would favor ther plaintiffs.


April 25th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

All we need is for the tide to turn in this football rivalry and they will become completely irrelevant again. Now let’s make it happen.


April 25th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

Meanwhile, over at RCMB guess which conspiracy theory is the most popular regarding who is behind all the negative publicity hitting MSU.

{Hint:  it's not MSU, they're hitting the martyr narrative hard}