Monday College Basketball/ Michigan vs Concordia (MI) Open Thread
Michigan vs Concordia
7:30. The game will air on the Big Ten Network.
Go Blue!
December 6th, 2010 at 5:28 PM ^
Hopefully we don't struggle with them as we did Harvard.
December 6th, 2010 at 5:30 PM ^
Harvard is one million times better than Concordia.
Harvard is a decent D1 team
Concordia is a mediocre NAIA team
December 6th, 2010 at 5:29 PM ^
By gametime, this might not even be on the front page anymore.
December 6th, 2010 at 5:33 PM ^
Just so excited for this colossal matchup. Does anyone know if this game will go towards RPI or not?
December 6th, 2010 at 5:38 PM ^
Thankfully, not in RPI.
However, a nice touch to schedule Concordia and great community relations. Really, they should consider doing this regularly as a pre-season game, and not as part of the official schedule.
Curious . . . who is responsible for the schedule? Beilein, his staff, or the AD office?
December 6th, 2010 at 5:38 PM ^
December 6th, 2010 at 5:44 PM ^
Michigan up quickly 17 to 2 !
December 6th, 2010 at 5:44 PM ^
It's also interesting seeing that including the Harvard game, that the team will have 8 straight home games
December 6th, 2010 at 5:49 PM ^
Since we have some time on our hands before the big big game starts, I was wondering who you guys consider the best basketball coach in M history? Cazzies coach, Johnny Orr, Bill Frieder, Steve Fisher, Tommy Amaker, John Belien. Tough call, but I gots to with Fisher number one and Johnny Orr number two.
December 6th, 2010 at 5:54 PM ^
My vote is a -1 to Tommy Amaker. Good at getting talent here but that was about it.
December 6th, 2010 at 6:31 PM ^
...to make an educated selection. Note: these records do not take into account vacated wins and championships. Data source is the Bentley Historical Library.
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Michigan Modern Era Head Basketball Coaches Records |
Championships | ||||||||
| Coach | Years | Overall | Overall % | Big Ten | Big Ten % | BT | CT | NCAA Reg | NCAA |
| Dave Strack | 1961-1968 | 113-89 | 0.5594 | 58-54 | 0.5179 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
| Johnny Orr | 1969-1980 | 209-113 | 0.6491 | 120-72 | 0.6250 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| Bill Frieder | 1981-1989 | 191-87 | 0.6871 | 98-64 | 0.6049 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Steve Fisher | 1989-1997 | 184-82 | 0.6917 | 88-56 | 0.6111 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 |
| Brian Ellerbe | 1998-2001 | 62-60 | 0.5082 | 26-38 | 0.4063 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Tommy Amaker | 2001-2007 | 109-83 | 0.5677 | 43-53 | 0.4479 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| John Beilein | 2008-2010 | 46-63 | 0.4220 | 21-33 | 0.3889 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Overall winning percentage leaders:
- Fisher
- Frieder
- Orr
- Amaker
- Strack
- Ellerbe
- Beilein
Big Ten winning percentage leaders:
- Orr
- Fisher
- Frieder
- Strack
- Ellerbe
- Amaker
- Beilein
Big Ten championships (either Reg or Tourney)
- Strack leads with 3
- Orr and Frider have 2
- Ellerbe has 1
NCAA Tourney success
- Fisher outdistances all the rest even if you discount the two Fab Five Regional Champions/Runners Up
- But Fisher won the 1989 championship with Frieder's team
- But Frieder's teams were chronic under performers in NCAA tournaments and Fisher actually won it
- Orr's 1976 team was runner up to an undefeated Indiana team
- Strack's teams won two NCAA regional championships, but the fields were significantly smaller then. Of course, we don't discount all of those UCLA championsips in that era.
Looking at this data on it's own, you'd have to go with Fisher. Except his willingness to look the other way helped cause the downfall of Michigan's MBB program. Frieder would make a great choice, but he quit on one of his best teams to take the Arizona State job. Arizona State. I'm going with Johnny Orr.
December 6th, 2010 at 6:48 PM ^
Well Orr left Michigan to go to Iowa State because they offered him more money. I guess I am going to change my vote to Orr, since Wiki'ing Orr, I am now informed he was quite a baller in the 40's.
December 6th, 2010 at 5:51 PM ^
Stuuuuuuuuuu with the deep 3! 20-3 Michigan
December 6th, 2010 at 5:58 PM ^
Keep the streak going. I think we should win every game till the B10 starts. That purdue game is a big game for us. Go Blue!
December 6th, 2010 at 6:25 PM ^
why we are playing concordia? they are NAIA right? how is a D1 school playing an NAIA school?
December 6th, 2010 at 6:38 PM ^
Ann Arbor bragging rights need to be settled.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:02 PM ^
John Beilein had the long answer in a Free Press article:
"You have 32 games," coach John Beilein said. "You see Kansas play Emporia State, Kansas State plays Emporia State, they're really playing Division II (teams). Concordia is NAIA, which is essentially the same as Division II, a non-counter on your RPI record. If you are playing a very low RPI team, it actually takes your RPI down. It's a huge payday to pay somebody (else) to come in. So we thought it was best to play a local team."
Michigan and Concordia have forged a relationship recently out of necessity. As the Wolverines construct their new practice facility and Crisler Arena is in line for renovations, the Wolverines have used Concordia's gym to practice and likely will again.
"There's a lot of teams in the state we could play -- we traditionally play one Division II game each year," Beilein said, though the past few years it was the opener. "We decided to play the local team.”
December 6th, 2010 at 9:45 PM ^
gotta say, if we're gonna pay for a win, i'm definitely in favor of concordia or another in state school
December 6th, 2010 at 6:39 PM ^
...while you wait. Read the latest Josh Bartelstein blog entry at MGoBlue.com. Some pretty funny stuff there, plus this on Darius Morris:
Darius seems to be in complete control of the game and it is amazing to see how big of a jump there is in his game from last year to this year.
December 6th, 2010 at 6:56 PM ^
just saying that the Red Wings play at 7:30 at home against San Jose for anyone also interested. In case ol' blue goes up big early and wanted to see what else is on :D.
December 6th, 2010 at 6:58 PM ^
Any streams?
December 6th, 2010 at 7:23 PM ^
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/49288-NCAA-Basketball-Dec-6-13-Streami…
No internet streams, but this has a streamtorrent. Usually questionable quality and very far behind (30 seconds or so).
December 6th, 2010 at 7:42 PM ^
Having a great point guard, who is in control of the offense, is just a lot of fun to watch. What a huge get Morris was for Beilein. He really was the first big-time commit for him, and started to get the ball rolling.
December 6th, 2010 at 7:50 PM ^
He just looks so much more confident and comfortable this year. He seems to have better court vision as well.
December 6th, 2010 at 7:46 PM ^
Jordon Morgan with a couple of deep 2's, didn't know he had that kind of range.
December 6th, 2010 at 7:47 PM ^
Not much of a crowd at the game.
December 6th, 2010 at 7:49 PM ^
Concordia has an enrollment of 668. So like one out of every 60 students is on the basketball team!
December 6th, 2010 at 7:54 PM ^
We're winning, as expected, but holy crap is Concordia fast or am I just imagining that? They're moving well and making us move the ball around quite a bit as a result.
Also, we looked a bit confused when they stretched to a full half-court defense, which could be trouble later against better competition.
December 6th, 2010 at 7:55 PM ^
Those one out of 60 students are pretty good. 22-17 M
December 6th, 2010 at 8:24 PM ^
...RichRod interview at half covering the Gator Bowl. Since this is the BTN, expect no tough questions.
[Edit: Not an interview, just a replaying of a portion of his remarks at today's presser.]
December 6th, 2010 at 8:27 PM ^
Did anyone else see the student section turn into chaos at one point in the first half? I think I'm losing it.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:39 PM ^
too close of a game
December 6th, 2010 at 8:44 PM ^
My alma-mater Ferris State could pound this Concordia team and we seem to be struggling with them. (Although they did take Indiana to overtime in the preseason) I hope it's just us coming out flat. The defense has been terrible and a 6-5 overweight white dude is their best offense.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:47 PM ^
...mom has a sweet sign for him in the stands. R O C K O
December 6th, 2010 at 9:15 PM ^
My alma-mater Ferris State could pound this Concordia team and we seem to be struggling with them. (Although they did take Indiana to overtime in the preseason)
If they were able to take IU to overtime, maybe you shouldn't assume Ferris would pound them.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:45 PM ^
Ok, I have pulled the game up on BTN gamecast and ESPN gamecast, but both at 14:51 left in the game, BTN has it 54-43 Michigan and ESPN has it 51-45 Michigan. Uhmm am I missing something?
December 6th, 2010 at 8:47 PM ^
It's pretty easy to shoot when you have open looks in the post and on the wing. Michigan's D is leaving much to be desired.
They can get what they want on offense, but so can Concordia right now.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:50 PM ^
Post D has been awesome. Oh wait, you mean to tell me a NAIA center who is 6'5" shouldn't have 25 points?
December 6th, 2010 at 8:49 PM ^
has 21 points and is showing some pretty good moves in the post. Uh, 5 point game with 13 min left....check that, Stu for 3 to make it 8 and just as that happened, Holmes abusing Blue defenders in the post.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:51 PM ^
We have 1 guy who is capable of guarding him and thats Morgan. Everyone else in the post needs to put on a few pounds.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:53 PM ^
was the main guy getting abused in the first half by ROCKO!
December 6th, 2010 at 8:51 PM ^
Concordia's leading scorer only has 3 points.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:52 PM ^
59-54 w/ 11 min. Outboarding Michigan right now
December 6th, 2010 at 8:55 PM ^
why does Beilein get a free pass in his 4th year, yet Rodriguez may need a win just to keep his job? I don't get it. We were at this same level under Amaker. This team is no better 4 years after Amaker left. In fact they might be worse. I just don't understand why Beilein gets a free pass.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:57 PM ^
It's all about expectations.
December 6th, 2010 at 9:05 PM ^
that's fine, but the basketball program has been a doormat for 15 years. The scandal of the late 90's has nothing to do with being successful now.
December 7th, 2010 at 2:09 PM ^
I don't think he gets a "free pass." He made a nice tourney run in his second season, has recruited well, and players have improved under his watch. Yes, last season was a disappointment, but I think this year's team could suprise people and is better than the team last year. They are more balanced and other players now feel like they can shoot and not have to look for Manny or Sims every trip down the floor.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:55 PM ^
What's the real score. Why is it different on different sites.
December 6th, 2010 at 8:58 PM ^
Michigan 65-54
December 6th, 2010 at 8:57 PM ^
Darius Morris is doing a great job w/ 11 assists and double figures pts. Best player on the floor and dictating offense and going where he wants to run the offense. Great hesitation and crossover dribbles to actually get somewhere (not for show)
Well, order is being restored. Stu w/ an and One, M 65-54. TV Timeout!