Fab and Fresh

March 15th, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^

If/when we fire Stan Van, will people be clamoring for Bill to be the coach again? It was a fun fantasy about 10 years ago when the Pistons were hiring any old Joe off the street to unsuccessfully lead the team while Bill was chilling with a couple rings from the WNBA level. Would that even be a thing anymore?


March 15th, 2018 at 11:16 AM ^

I think this is an important difference between the two. I think Moe is driven mostly by passion and raw emotion -- raw joy and enthusiasm. He admits a part of it is calulated or at least he's self-aware. I'm not sure Laimbeer's passion and enthusiasm ever came from joy. I think it came from anger, defiance and competition, and he definitely calculated his opponents reactions to his antics. He honed his schtick. 


March 15th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^

I agree he took pleasure it, but in a mano a mano schadenfreude way. I loved him, and he loved winning the physical battles, but more so the psychological battles as you say. I never watched Laimbeer in college. Maybe he played with more unfiltered joy like Mo, but the two enjoyments seem quite different to me. Glad I rooted for the Pistons and UM bc both would be easy to hate otherwise.


March 15th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^

LeBron obviously, but Anderson Varejao would be exibit A.  That guy hustled, rebounded, defended, and flopped his ass off for the Cavs for 10 years.

It took all of 40 seconds of playing against him in the finals for me to hate his fucking guts.


March 15th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^

My favorite thing about Moe is how much he obviously loves playing the bad guy. Like, I think if it were up to Moe every game would be @MSU or @OSU.


March 15th, 2018 at 9:15 AM ^

Does Wagner come back next season?

On Spath's show they mentioned Wagner's current NBA prospect rating puts him firmly outside the 1st round and borderline top 50.

Perkis-Size Me

March 15th, 2018 at 9:27 AM ^

That's odd. I would've pegged him as a late first rounder, but maybe this is a deep draft class this year. Who knows. 

But if he does come back, pegged along with the stacked recruiting class they have next season, Beilein and Co. would likely be the early favorites to win the conference. 


March 15th, 2018 at 9:39 AM ^

Will probably depend quite a bit on how the tournament goes. If he puts the team on his back for a deep tourney run, I imagine his stock will rise substantially. Not necessarily because he'll have done something different than he's done all year, just a lot more eyes on him, a lot more hype around the event, and a lot of opportunity to create some buzz around his name.


March 15th, 2018 at 11:25 AM ^

I've learned not to discuss prospects for collegiate hockey in the great state of Illinois with him. Stay away from that and you should be OK. Oh yeah, don't make band geek jokes either. I probably should have put that one first.


March 15th, 2018 at 9:47 AM ^

but I don't think he has a position in the NBA. I'd be more than hqppy to be wrong in my assessment. He could have a great career in Europe.

I agree that UM would be a top 3 team going into next year if he returns.


March 15th, 2018 at 10:37 AM ^

I dont think Moe can guard NBA 4s and thats what he will be asked to do. His best position is center in a 5 out offense like the one Michigan runs now. Does any NBA team do that for more than a couple minutes at a time? And even at that position what does he do when he has to guard someone like Drummond in the post? College and the NBA are such different games. In the NBA everyone is athletic and everyone can shoot.

I dunno. I think he can carve out a career as a nice bench player but just dont see him as an NBA starter and as a GM of an NBA franchise Im not using my 1st round pick on a bench player. Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part because I want 1 more year please.



March 15th, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^

Yeah I'd probably hate him too if he wasn't on our team, but thankfully he is. This picture the team posted from practice yesterday cracked me up. Practice, we talkin bout practice

M_Born M_Believer

March 15th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^

Because if he did put this team on his back (20+ PPG 10+ boards per game) it would show the rare occasion ntangible quality of raising his level of play during the “big” moments.

Teams know what he can physically do and that is plenty, but to have hard data showing that he stepped up his game under the brighter spot light would ‘earn’ a high draft grade.