Moderator Action Sticky

Submitted by Zone Left on December 16th, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Brian has requested that instead of deleting each individual comment in the Moderator Action Sticky, that we instead just create a new thread. It takes hours of less time, preserves the comments for future explanations, and just clears things up faster.

You'll notice that the previous thread is now locked, and will slowly fade back into darkness. For the time being, the link from the Useful Stuff menu will point to the wrong location. We're working on a fix for that.

 

This thread is an ad-hoc way of tracking what threads and comments get removed. Mods that remove a thread should post the title here with a brief reason as to why the thread is gone.

NOTE: if you leave an irrelevant comment in this thread it will be deleted.

Comments

Seth

June 8th, 2013 at 10:12 AM ^

Heavily moderated to try to discourage people from reading some hack's crap attempt at destroying the lives of some media personalities.

OP was made an example of (will get points back on 8/31/2013 at 12:01 a.m.) as a not friendly reminder that before you post on this board, or do anything, it's a good idea to consider the moral ramifications.

M-Wolverine

June 22nd, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^

Because after you called people stupid (sometimes specifically, like you calling WolveinLA2 as smart as a High schooler) dropping flamebait all over the place, someone did it to you? Stop being a hypocrite (especially after you acting like the attack didn't matter thn ran to cry to someone). If you're going to dish it out, take it like a man.

Jon06

June 22nd, 2013 at 8:48 PM ^

I said WolvinLA2's claim failed to comport with a high school level of understanding of basic economics, which is a simple fact that you've apparently just failed to grasp. I didn't call him stupid (in that thread--I've called him stupid other places, and I've told him why). I called his claim stupid. That's not worthy of moderation because it's (a) true and (b) open to him or anyone else to discuss like a rational adult.

Anyway, the moderator action thread is here to post things that should be deleted, as that guy's post should be, because it's basically at the level of a YouTube comment. If the moderators were to do their jobs, they would delete it. The fact that you think that my posting it here says anything about me "crying" or needing one of your other childishly misogynistic bits of advice makes me sad for you, though.

M-Wolverine

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 PM ^

So it should be deleted.

You just have to face the fact that just because you were a TA or whatever nonsense you endlessly blather about that you're not close to the smartest guy on the boards, no matter how much you tell yourself you are to justify your right to be an asshole to everybody. "Everyone picks on me" because you're being a jerk, not because of the tired Internet trope that "I'm right and they're just mad I'm too smart for them to understand."

It you were as smart as you think you are you'd have the ability to make convincing arguments that sway people to get them on your side rather than being forced to dismiss them because you're incapable of it.

P.S. the only misogyny here is yours. Children run and cry to their mommies (boys and girls); men take responsibility for their actions and incitements. The fact that you naturally assume a negative connotation = woman says more about you than me.

Jon06

June 24th, 2013 at 11:13 AM ^

I love that you're denying that "take it like a man" is misogynistic.

I usually post hoping that somebody who knows what they're talking about will chime in to clear things up. I mean, there have to be economics PhDs around here that can offer insight into the kind of disagreement we were having. But instead we get a kind of knowledge-optional back-and-forth where my admittedly crappy grasp of economics, which has to leave plenty of room for somebody who knows what they're talking about to correct it and move the dialogue further, fails to draw people's attention away from their ego's need to defend the plainly false thing they said. That's pretty depressing and not very Michigan Difference-y.

I believe the consensus among researchers is that rational argument isn't a very good way to change people's minds when they're emotionally invested in something. So I think your third paragraph is just factually incorrect. (Have I insulted you by saying that? If so, why? Does politeness require that I pretend I think everything you say is true? I just think there's scientific evidence that what you said is wrong, and I'm telling you that because I think it's relevant, but of course I'm open to being corrected if you find newer studies or whatever.)

Incidentally, I also love the absolutely indefensible response of the moderators to that thread. They hid some of it from public view, but deleted nothing, which would have been the minimally responsible response to what the comment I linked says. Of course, they never delete comments like that (check upthread for the last thing I linked), and here my view that the moderators are objectively terrible just gains more support. This makes me wonder: who are the actual mods? Is Seth really one of them? Do they communicate with Brian? Will Brian stop talking down about RCMB now that MGoBlog appears to have an established policy of letting "haha your dog is dead" comments stand? What a disappointment from those whom you would expect to be thoughtful about minimal standards for anonymous discourse on the useful parts of the internet.

justingoblue

June 24th, 2013 at 11:46 AM ^

There has been no moderator action taken on the front page thread, and I'm not sure what gave you the impression there was.

Occasionally people say mean things; usually this results in some kind of a warning, in this case you replied to him and we thought that was enough. If you'd like, I can go to the front page and tell him to play nice with other posters, but what we do very rarely is delete a post (in about eight months I'd say I've deleted maybe fifteen posts) and that juvenile remark is nowhere close to hitting that standard.

If you have a complaint about the sites moderation/moderators, I would invite you to email Brian or Seth with your concerns, but we don't need any more bickering in this already way too full sticky.

Jon06

June 24th, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^

My comments were just collapsed when I wasn't logged in so ctrl+f didn't see my handle. Thanks for clarifying that.

I do think it's unconscionable policy for that comment not to meet the standard for deletion. I'll talk to Seth or Brian.

Seth

June 24th, 2013 at 6:15 PM ^

Jon- I've met you and like you and normally you're good about this shit. Honestly unless I missed something here I think you were a bit too aggressive in attacking the point, and that was the origin of the flamewar. What came after seems to be a response to your tone.

Jon06

June 25th, 2013 at 6:34 PM ^

about which I have no complaints, and then there was the comment I linked, which was solely intended to inflict harm and is the sort of thing that you would only ever say in person if you were trying to incite violence (i.e., is fighting words, i.e., is actually illegal speech). You might look upthread at the previous example I linked if you haven't already. I can conceive of no reason for MGoBlog to tolerate or archive such posts, especially when they contain no other non-trivial content and the infrastructure to moderate such content is in place. If you have to delete what you think provoked it in order to be happy with deleting what was provoked, then fine. But the latter is just garbage and has no place anywhere.

M-Wolverine

June 24th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^

The problem is you're doing research studies in the wrong forum.  It doesn't matter if you're right if you can't convince people of it. You need less research classes and more public speaking classes.  You don't change things with a research study, you change them by changing hearts and minds.

And if they delete that comment they should delete your whole thread of comments. I like that they don't, even though you've flamebaited ten times as many times as the one you faced. (What happened to "haha someone said a mean thing on the internet...just bravado?). Stop being a baby. (Sorry if I was being offensive to children anywhere out there).

Jon06

June 25th, 2013 at 6:35 PM ^

...I'm not waging a political or military campaign. I don't care about hearts and minds. But I am pleased that the facts seem to have been settled.

The insults are improving, too:

"Take it like a man" - misogynistic

"Stop being a baby" - not misogynistic

"panties in a bunch" -misogynistic (and the other thing I had in mind when I pointed out the misogyny)

["boxers in a bunch" - not misogynistic]

See?

If the powers that be were (ridiculously) convinced of the moral equivalence of my being condescending about an elementary point and some jackass posting what can only be described as fighting words--even though to state the equivalence is to declare its absurdity--then they should just delete all of it.

Seth

June 24th, 2013 at 6:11 PM ^

Way OT - law job search - please help

Sorry, the OT stuff is getting too OTish. I shoulda deleted the first one (was in the middle of shipping HTTV and stuff).

Anyway wrong kiosk. I recommend Bob Loblaw's Law Blog.

 

Seth

June 25th, 2013 at 6:04 PM ^

Kids tweet the darndest things. The KKK rallies there are 30 clansmen and 300 people yelling profanities at them. I took it down because it paints a particularly bad picture of another university for the actions of an insane minority. We've had neo-Nazis picketing the synagogue in Ann Arbor every Saturday for years now--I'm sure they would bother a recruit who sees them but it's hardly representative enough of the town to warrant coverage years later, even if it's just a link to a Yahoo article.

Draconian: yes.

Good outweighs the potential damage: in this case yes.

justingoblue

June 26th, 2013 at 10:34 AM ^

I can't think of one article that would hit the NBC Politics section that would be okay to post as an off topic subject, and I think that's pretty obvious. The OP will be taking some time off posting topics as a result.

LSAClassOf2000

June 26th, 2013 at 10:45 AM ^

OT- Mgoenemy chimes in on Brady Hoke - does contain part of a Freep article

Per earlier precedent, Drew Sharp is persona non grata when it comes to threadworthy material. That, and I am pretty sure that "Eff Drew Sharp" will be pretty much the prevailing opinion. 

Seth

June 27th, 2013 at 1:32 PM ^

Clay Travis isn't banned from this site, but 90% of what he says is. Politics, trying to make Urban Meyer culpable for murders by his former player, just so many things wrong with this. Stop making me play Urban Meyer defender this week people.

LSAClassOf2000

June 29th, 2013 at 10:48 PM ^

Who is the worst AD in the history of Michigan Athletics?

I believe it is safe to say that the people have spoken here - on its face, it's an attempt to be divisive and inflammatory. Posting a simple drinking thread would have been a far more prudent move. 

Taking into consideration this user's history, points shall return a few minutes before CMU kickoff, in the hope that the most recent incarnation of this user will at least make an attempt to be more....amiable.

Space Coyote

July 1st, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^

But these types of comments that are clearly inflammatory, are about religion, and about a religion many practice on this site (not that that really matters) really can't be allowed on the site. It appears he's done it before, but another warning is probably appropriate in this case

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-football-comes-back-next-month#comment-2089254

It would be one thing if he just left it as a post from a month ago or whatever. It'd be another thing if he said get over it, it'd be another thing still if he didn't respond. But he did respond and did so in an inflammatory way.

LSAClassOf2000

July 11th, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^

Accroding to Steve Wiltfong Fournette To Give Michigan A Look this weekend.

As someone pointed out in the thread, the 247Sports piece was posted last week and it was a portion of Monday Recruitin' as well. It has also come up within other threads, so I believe it is well-established enough that this can come down. Also, Bleacher Report link. 

LSAClassOf2000

July 12th, 2013 at 8:00 PM ^

Meta: Gamers Make a freakin Google Doc

This is probably better described as OT, and in any case, it is the OT season and there is clearly a precedent for letting these sorts of threads go during the OT Season. Starting with the last week in August, obviously this will change. Further, mocking (not in a kind way) those who do participate in such threads is not a good idea. 

Also this....

OT: NCAA 14 PS3 Dynasty Spots Open

One thread for everyone's information should be enough. I posted this user's info in the previously created OP so everyone could choose. 

justingoblue

July 13th, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^

Posted a better explanation above, but former rival players getting arrested doesn't in and of itself make for a good board topic. The best standard to apply would probably be to think if it would get posted on a neutral conference team's board. Ray Small's problems aren't particularly interesting and he's not a big celebrity, so pretty much the only reason for the post was mockery, which isn't cool.