Michigan vs. ISU (Snowflakes) Thread

Submitted by Mr. Yost on November 17th, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Tough road loss.



+ Got Experience
+ Non-conference
+ Looked good in spurts

- Refs
- Interior defense
- Rebounding

...not a bad loss in the grand scheme of things. Just hate to lose games that you feel should've won. That said, it was a tough loss...McGary's first game, and we did look good in spurts. Everyone is going to complain about the refs, and rightfully so. But we didn't play perfect.

I thought our subs were awful, we never went to "2 bigs" and ISU DOMINATED us on the boards and in the post.



November 18th, 2013 at 2:17 AM ^

Borges:  Has won nothing, ruined two QB's, and has been in charge of an offense that seems to be getting worse by the week. He is also overseeing one of the worst offensive lines I have ever seen in college football, let alone at Michigan. 


Beilein: Taken the team to a national championship game, Won a Big Ten Title, got the team back to the NCAA Tourney after a long drought, found and developed a 3 star recruit into the national player of the year. 


I can see why you would compare the two sitautions. So much in common between the two.


November 18th, 2013 at 12:25 PM ^

borges was coordinator when we won the sugar bowl (a bcs bowl incase you forgot), and had 2 thousand yard rushers for the first time in forever, has gotten gallon to be the first thousand yard reciever since 2007 and on track to possibly break the michigan recieving record.

This team with the worst offensive line you have ever seen in college football and the ruined qb is still 7-3 and has scored 59, 41, 42, 40, and 63 points in games this year. 


November 17th, 2013 at 10:14 PM ^

I'm always curious when I see a poster deriding a popular board opinion.

Do you seriously think Borges should keep his job, or are you just "David from Wyoming 2.0" and simply perpetually insufferable? I don't understand how anyone can actually justify Funk or Borges keeping their jobs with a straight face.

Back to our regularly scheduled basketball programming (where points are put on the board in a competitive fashion).


November 17th, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^

Not a bad loss no doubt they can build on it. Walton played better than i thought he would. McGary is a beast but needs to get in rhythm. Levert can't b completely relied on in the clutch hopefully that can b fixed. We out rebounded them I believe but still needs work. Overall I like what I see and it's still NOVEMBER


November 17th, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^

We deserved to lose with that clutch time play...No Robinson or LeVert....but officiating was atrocious.

Good things to take out of this....McGary is good and will get better....and Stauskus has taken a huge step forward

Wondering why with our length we saw little zone on D, especially when it became clear we were having trouble jumping out on pick-and-rolls


November 17th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

Beilein's pretty consistently on record with not liking to go to zone unless the team has it perfected in practice.  With such a young team and McGary probably not practicing those zone drills the last few weeks, I wasn't surprised.

Sure, it would have been a nice weapon to have, I bet they just aren't there yet.

Mr. Yost

November 17th, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^

Basketball is often a game of possessions.

If you go zone and get 3-4 consective defensive stops before they "figure it out" or catch up to it and burn you. It's worth it.

I would've done it just for the sake of throwing a different look at them. Often times that's enough to at least slow the other team down and break the rythym. It was certainly worth a shot.

In fact, someone should ask why we didn't go zone for a little bit.


November 17th, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^

Biggest thing we couldn't take advantage of was when ISU switched McGary ball screens.

This will come with time.  I like the idea of Stauskas being the guy we go to with ball screens with McGary while Walton is still gaining experience.  By B10 play we'll need Walton and/or Spike to also be there.

Young John Beilein

November 17th, 2013 at 9:24 PM ^

I like Stauskas being the go-to guy in general.  I'm not convinced that Robinson can create on his own, but his physical improvement should certainly make him a better player compared with last year.  McGary is probably the next player who can create for himself and others via high or low post touches. Last year he showed a great ability to drive to the bucket in isolation or pick and roll situations.  He missed an opportunity to do so at least once today, settling for a short jumper.  

I think as the year goes on, Walton will be more and more comfortable attacking and creating offense.  If he can convert a reasonable number of open three attempts, that should make us a contender.  I like what Spike has shown so far, but Walton is just on another level athletically.

M Fanfare

November 17th, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^

It's early in the year in a hostile environment. Iowa State is a good team, so it's not a bad loss. Lots to learn from this game, hopefully it gives them an edge when they play down in Puerto Rico.


November 17th, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^

Caris struggled against big time competition.  As did Walton, but freshman PG in first road game against a pretty good team, I'm not super surprised. We generally didn't shoot well despite a lot of open looks, which is really what killed us on offense.

Defensively we caught some really bad switches down the stretch that got Caris in the post against a big dude.  That went as you'd expect.  Ejim is really good so that was a problem.


November 17th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^

As for rebounding... we had a dReb rate of 82% opposed to their 78%. 

I really don't think rebounding was a major issue.  I think we failed to hit shots.  Pretty simple.


November 17th, 2013 at 7:28 PM ^

and the team was 8-29 from behind the arc. Going on the road against good teams is hard enough, and when you shoot that badly to boot, pulling off the win is a tall order.

Regardless, this is the kind of opponent they should be playing in the non-conference. You only learn so much from playing Concordia.