Eye of the Tiger

October 25th, 2013 at 12:13 PM ^

Are overly hoppy to me. Stronger hops does not, in and of itself, equal better beer, and IMO American craft beers often undervalue the importance of malt as well. I like balance, so my tastes range towards Belgian-style ales. For my money Alagash Curieux (Woodson) and Telegraph Trappiste (Denard) are the best American craft beers I've come across. 

Magnum P.I.

October 25th, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^

Thank you. It's a developmental thing. Kids start out drinking shitty light beer. Then around 20 to 25 they taste a few IPAs, feel cool about discovering nitch breweries, and start to equate quality with hops and darkness. Then when you get older, you graduate to realizing that there is a range of quality, complexity, and enjoyment in all varieties of beer--lager, pilsner, IPA, stout, porter, brown ales, etc. 

It's the same with wine. Every dude wine drinker gets hooked on big, full-bodied cabernets and shirazes at first. Starts to stick his chest out about whites and pinots. Then finally realizes that there are great sauvignon blancs, rieslings, and chardonnays, and that each varietal has lots to offer and suits a different occasion.

It's the same with beer. Everyone on this board is still is the sticking out of the chest phase of development. 

Eye of the Tiger

October 26th, 2013 at 11:19 AM ^

And of course it applies to me as well. I remember the first time I had a Cotes de Provence and thought "wait...this pink crap I've been avoiding because it's pink is actually good?!"

With beer, there's just such a range of interesting stuf that can get overpowered by hops. Dunkel lagers have been the big discovery of my 30s--dark, nutty, complex, but centered on malt rather than hops. Still haven't found an American craft brewer that does it well, but I assume it's either out there or will be soon. Some of the Bavarian ones are stunning:


Space Coyote

October 25th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^

And still do largely, but as I've aged my taste buds have changed and I now really like hoppy beer for the most part. That said, just being hoppy doesn't make it better, and there are other kids of beers besides IPAs that people often don't value simply because "it's not what good beer should taste like". I, for one, am still a big fan of ambers.

Eye of the Tiger

October 26th, 2013 at 11:33 AM ^

Many IPAs are good, and of course tastes range.

But a lot of people, especially in their 20s, as Magnum PI pointed out, seem to think it's only real beer if the hops are on steroids. There's a lot more that goes into beer than just hops, and there are a lot of really good beers that aren't fixated on the hops.

I like Ambers too. Actually I like a whole bunch of stuff. I don't like most macrobrewed lagers, though occasionally they can hit the spot on a hot day, I don't particularly like English real ales at room temperature and I'm not crazy about some of the more extreme 'roid-hops beers. But I'm open to pretty much anything else.



October 25th, 2013 at 1:03 PM ^

Nope.  His was absolutely objective.  Sam Adams is good, but not the best.  Sam Adams Octoberfest is good, but not the best of the best.  At some point subjectivity becomes fact, and that point has been reached here.

I won't knock Sam Adams though.  The Boston Lager is a good beer, as is Latitude 48.  But, in a sea of fish, it is still only a guppy.

Phinaeus Gage

October 25th, 2013 at 12:25 PM ^

Craft beers are like music, politics, religion, etc. You like what you like and you can find others that agree with you. But those that disagree, can be very hard to understand.