UMfan21

March 12th, 2014 at 1:36 AM ^

Interesting that he mentions Desmond but not Woodson. I guess it is an example of Desmond's visibility in the media.

I like that we are going after Urban's plan A and plan B. They both sound great.

rob f

March 12th, 2014 at 1:40 AM ^

he would be difficult to pull from the south, but no harm in giving it a shot. 

I love the aggressive approach Nuss is taking in recruiting.

Mr. Yost

March 12th, 2014 at 8:24 AM ^

Because it seems like there is a clear place for Devin Gardner if we're not scrapping this type of QB and going for the drafted in the mid-late round "game manager" types.

I'm excited to see what Devin does this year because it seems like the coaches are open to the Duel Threat and the Spread.

no joke its hoke

March 12th, 2014 at 2:56 AM ^

I love going after dual threat guys over just pocket passer. although I got in a Twitter war with other fans telling me that this team will have little to no spread because its all man ball.

MgoRayO3313

March 12th, 2014 at 5:48 AM ^

As you know, teams do not need to be tiny to run the spread. This is one of the great misnomers about the spread mentality. The spread itself just spreads the field. It also generally means that you look to run the ball by spreading receivers as wide as possible forcing defenders to vacate the box.

Now if you want to run the spread option or other spread concepts that utilize the QB as a constant threat to run then sure, maybe you want to consider a faster/more durable QB along with a generally more mobile offensive line.

Ryan Mallett would have made a hell of a spread QB.

Sounds like the arguments you are having are with complete dummies. I get in these arguments all the time and it is always frustrating to debate with people who A. Do not understand the objectives that the spread looks to accomplish, or B. Do not really know what the spread is or how to identify it from other schemes.

Anyways, fight the good fight and educate the masses. I'm headed back to bed since work is cancelled today.

tenerson

March 12th, 2014 at 9:32 AM ^

For my own personal satisifaction, I would like to know when every message board poster will understand that "spread" is not an offensive system and there are multiple ways to run spread offenses. Can someone tell me when that time will come because this is getting ridiuclous. 

Space Coyote

March 12th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^

So yes, Mallet was a pretty good spread QB, just a completely different spread than what RR ran.

That's why I hate the much too broad split in offenses as "spread" and "prostyle", because it really tells you very little and often leads to misunderstanding and confusion.

MgoRayO3313

March 12th, 2014 at 10:40 AM ^

My point with the Mallett comment was that he could have thrived in a spread system. Big arm kid who can zing the ball out on everything from a screen to a deep post.

Once again the 'spread' concept does not insinuate that the QB needs to be mobile. There have been teams that have run the spread with slower and far worse QBs then the example I listed and had far greater statistical success (as well as success with the eye test)

The 'spread' concept only insinuates that you are looking to do just that... Spread the ball around the field. A spread with a non-mobile QB will utilize a ton of screens (mostly to receivers, but occasionally to a RB or TE). It will also attack teams vertically when given the opportunity. These 'shot plays' as I like to call them will be fairly limited and are obviously meant to keep the secondary honest and out of the box. You would have the same run plays as almost all spread teams minus the zone read (inside/outside) plays as well as any midline or veer concepts because you don't want your 5.1 40 PP QB getting lit.

The spread is just the concept and as a coach you can mold it and shape it as you please. Would Mallett had succeeded in RR's spread as we saw it? Very doubtful. But had he stayed and played in the spread system I can guarantee that with his intangibles, had he been whiling and he and his family understood what his role would have been (or limited to here) Mallett would have had a ton of success here. Dare I even say more then he had at Arkansas. He is just not a spread option or zone read QB.

Giordano Bruno

March 12th, 2014 at 10:14 AM ^

I don't think we are that flighty, and he did have a point.  It seems as if we hear (such as with Wimbush yesterday) that basically anybody with an Ohio offer is a presumed Ohio lean.  I hardly think that we are so presumptuous (at least most of us here, and not the M posters on MLive for instance) as to automatically assume that a Michigan offer makes somebody an instant Michigan lean (assuming they have other decent offers).  However, that type of thinking seems to be par for the course for OSU fans.  

Simps

March 12th, 2014 at 8:12 AM ^

You have to assume that they will be getting a good QB for sure. There will be plenty to choose from and Nuss will get his QB as well. We have to trust the coaches to evaluate the talent and pick the best fit for Michigan, not neccessarily the one with the most stars. Plus I think you can count on Michigan's defense to be better than the putrid outfits that Urbz has been fielding thusfar. 

Michigania

March 12th, 2014 at 7:57 AM ^

My buddy is a well connected Ohio insider and told me awhile ago that Meyer is hard after Gibson, and that supposedly is better and faster than Miller.

getsome

March 12th, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^

athletes across the board, love the direction.  most college teams severely limit their offensive efficiency and explosion if they dont recruit QBs who threaten D with their legs or at least just occasioinally make Ds pay several times per game with athleticism.  almost a must these days, great to see coaches showing love to athletic QBs (obviously as long as they also demonstrate some arm and mental promise)

mtzlblk

March 12th, 2014 at 10:03 AM ^

with Borges, everyone thought Shane Morris was in a position to push Devin for starting time, simply because he was deemed a better fit for Al's intended scheme, but it seems apparent that Nuss will sing back toward a dual threat QB, so that sort of puts pressure on Morris before he ever even starts, right? After Devin leaves, won't a high-level, dual threat incoming freshman already be a potentially better fit for Nuss' scheme?

[FIRST IN FOR QB CONTROVERSY 2016]

Cold War

March 12th, 2014 at 5:21 PM ^

Being fast doesn't mean you're suited to run the football on a regular basis. That said, Nuss is smart enough to make his scheme fit his talent and the offense will accomadate whoever is playing.