Michigan Re-offers Dawson

Submitted by WoodleyIsBeast on November 29th, 2012 at 9:19 PM

@AllenTrieu: Michigan has re-offered David Dawson and he will visit December 14.

Comments

UMmFan1

November 29th, 2012 at 9:45 PM ^

It  really annoys me to watch  players such as zettel or dee hart  playing for other teams. Dawson would be just there, but only worst since he's from cass tech and he would be playing for a rival.

neoavatara

November 29th, 2012 at 9:45 PM ^

As long as the coaches are good with it, so am I. Dawson didn't act very mature, but he is a 17 year old kid, and our coaches should treat him as such. Giving him a second chance is the right thing to do.

jscbus

November 29th, 2012 at 9:45 PM ^

Sam Webb reporting visits @ Ohio on Dec. 7th, Bama on Jan. 11th and Sparty Jan. 18th as well. We should be good to stay the course, so to speak.

maizeonblueaction

November 29th, 2012 at 9:49 PM ^

that what must have happened is that he decommitted so he could look at Florida, then didn't like it as much as he thought and realized he wanted to stay close to home, but realized there are really only a few high level schools in the Midwest and would end up back here.

aiglick

November 29th, 2012 at 9:50 PM ^

Little confused about the policy. Definitely understand not pulling Conley's offer (up front about his decision making). Was under the impression Dawson was not as up front. Obviously do not know the full story hence the confusion.

As long as the coaches are up front and clear with the recruits we shouldn't have any problems.

turd ferguson

November 29th, 2012 at 10:05 PM ^

Here's my best understanding/guess of "the policy," which could be completely wrong.

If you are offered a scholarship to Michigan, you commit, and you keep your grades up and yourself out of trouble, the coaches will honor that original offer.  Even if you have a bad season or something - or a sexier recruit comes along - they won't drop you because they found someone they like better.

If you visit another school, you no longer have that guarantee.  Michigan might still recruit you, but they'll only do so if they think you're a good option at the moment.  If someone else takes your spot in the meantime, so be it.

Basically, I think people are incorrect when they say that the policy is "visit elsewhere --> can't go to Michigan."  I think it's more "visit elsewhere --> give up your guaranteed spot --> we'll see what happens."

jscbus

November 30th, 2012 at 4:36 AM ^

This is how it is, and it has been very advantageous for Hoke thus far. I don't want people to get the wrong impression because I respect and advocate our recruiting principles; I just want to see Hoke stand his ground at the same time because, if he does not; future, more costly predicaments could arise.

Maybe I'm just being cynical or semantical, and I do want Dawson (he is such an integral addition to our OL class), however; I think a recruit should understand, thoroughly, what entails their commitment to Michigan. I believe most do, and honestly hope Dawson is an exception, respectively, because in the future, I think Hoke should deny a recommitment.

It's really out of fairness. Cause in Turd's words, there technically really isn't a "policy".

JeepinBen

November 30th, 2012 at 9:10 AM ^

I think a lot of it has to do with how "Being Committed" leads to "Taking other visits".

If a commit talks to the coaches about how they were his first offer, he jumped on it, didn't really do his research and wants to see what other schools have to offer (Conley), he'll fall in the "You're no longer committed, but thanks for handling this in an up front manner, we're no longer saving you a spot in this class, but we still want you at Michigan".

If a commit doesn't talk to the coaches and books a trip to another school, like Oregon (Pharoah Brown) without telling the coaches anything, the recruit has burned that bridge, he is no longer a commit and the coaches won't recruit him anymore.

With Dawson it seems like there was a little from column A, a little from B, and at the end the coaches are still recruting him.

Indonacious

November 29th, 2012 at 9:59 PM ^

Our good friend Tom VH providing a little insight on his twitter...

"OL David Dawson had a "heart-to-heart" with Brady Hoke tonight and was re-offered by Michigan".

 

tn wolverine

November 29th, 2012 at 11:37 PM ^

I would love to know how this meeting with Hoke came about. Does David go to coach Wilcher and say I really want to talk to Michigan again can you arrange something with coach Hoke so I can tell him. Does David pick up the phone and call and tell them himself...or does Hoke just pop in and say we've heard you've had a change of heart and may want to come back into the fold. I hope someone on the inside let's us know how all this came about.

MGoStrength

November 29th, 2012 at 10:04 PM ^

Boy, this is interesting.  I also see now OSU has offered Lacy.  I would love to have Dawson back because based on his camp tapes last summer he seemed like the most ready OL and seems very strong and tough.  But, this whole back and forth has been odd to say the least.  From the comments I have seen from Dawson it didn't seem like he was too happy with UM fans, not that I can blame him, but I guess it still surprises me that he still wants to come to UM.  And, it makes you wonder about the whole no visit policy now.  Wouldn't it be really weird if both Conley and Dawson came back?

Victor Hale II

November 29th, 2012 at 10:12 PM ^

Just when I think the coaches couldn't get any dumber, they go and do something like this...and TOTALLY redeem themselves.

(I don't really think they're dumb; I just wanted to quote an epic movie)

UofM-StL

November 29th, 2012 at 10:43 PM ^

This is great news. The Michigan football I know and love is built around interior offensive linemen named Dave. Daves Brandt, Baas, Pearson, Petruziello, Moosman, and Molk would be happy to hear this.

Hardware Sushi

November 29th, 2012 at 10:47 PM ^

The only thing that surprises me is everyone's reaction. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this recruiting policy. WTF I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

1 - the coaches offer you.

2 - you commit, they honor your commitment.

3 - you don't commit, coaches hold it until they're full.

4 - you commit and take visits and notify the coaches beforehand that you want to, a la Conley. Coaches understand but no longer consider you a recruit. Maybe they keep your offer and recruit you, maybe not.

5 - you commit and deceive the coaches about not taking visits a la Pharaoh Brown and David Dawson. You are no longer considered a recruit by the staff similar to step #4 and they likely pull an offer. The staff evaluates whether to offer you based on factors individual to your situation, and decides whether to continue to recruit and/or offer you. Pharaoh = Ohio kid without M ties and a number of other family factors we don't know about. Dawson = kid that dreamed of playing at M prior to getting an offer, accepted immediately, dad died, and a number of other family factors we don't know about.

Rinse and repeat step 1.

Everyone circle jerks each other about how much better of a fanbase we are than fanbase X but this simple concept seems to spawn increasingly ridiculous discussion everytime it's brought up.

gwrock

November 29th, 2012 at 10:54 PM ^

Doesn't Hoke's no-visit policy simply mean that if a recruit commits, and then decides to take visits to other schools, then UM no longer considers him a commit and his spot is once again open to other offered recruits?

Dawson isn't considered a commit right now -- and I'm assuming another offered OL recruit could still commit and grab his former spot -- so I guess I'm unclear why this situation would be thought of as Hoke bending the rules of his policy.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

November 29th, 2012 at 11:00 PM ^

Dawson, Lacy, Hunt and Rodgers for 1 slot.
Green and maybe Isaac for 1 spot.
Reschke for 0 spot (full at LB).
Treadwell and Conley for 1 spot (and LaQuay?).
McQuay for 1 spot.

Probably more but at least 10 candidates for 3-4 spots. Is Reschke a no for sure?

HarBooYa

November 29th, 2012 at 11:45 PM ^

Recruit videos but I watched some of Dawson's camp video. Dude is a seriously aggressive mauler. Was my favorite talent in the class. Would welcome him back in the fold.

Unrelated to his talent level, Kid is 17 and got brutalized on twitter when his initial recruitment went sideways. His decommit shenanigans was simply a kid acting like a kid. It shows me some growth, however, that he sat down with coach hoke and was able to rise above the primitive part of the fan base. Takes a man to do that. Like him blue or not.

robmorren2

November 30th, 2012 at 12:47 AM ^

I'd worry more about getting ONE of those big name recruits before I started worrying about not having enough room for all of them. Getting Green or Treadwell would make me feel much better about the offense moving forward. I also think Green is a much better fit than Ty for Hoke's style. I'm guessing our offense eventually looks very similar to Stanford's.