Michigan Marching Band

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Edit: Misopogon's reply to the band members is likely even better, although buried on page two of the water bottle thread: #51

Alright, so in our water bottle thread yesterday we kind of veered off to bashing on the MMB a bit and the fact that Delaware State’s band pretty much destroyed them and some band members voiced their frustration over how the student section in general doesn’t give a shit about the band and expressed a desire for feedback.  I figured we could take a break from our daily “Who will start at QB”/who had bad work ethic thread to voice some constructive advice to the band.  Maybe give them something to take to the director and go “Look we have 20 pages of people saying we should play this song, can we play it?”

It’ll set myself up for abuse first with some general: 

First and foremost, if someone isn’t offended, you’re not doing your job.   We have some alums who took the entire “public ivy” thing a little too far and get offended if they hear anything that sounds like it might have been written post Fielding Yost era.  For example that jackass who was really vocal about how the luxury boxes would ruin everything.  The metric is not the angry letters you get post performance, but if you have 100,000 rocking during your performance.

Second, take the music sheets from that boy band show, all of them and any computer hard drives that might have that music on it and burn it.  5 gallon can of gas, matches and we’ll never speak of that again, alright?  Fair deal.  Seriously though, pop music is not we associate with football, with a few exceptions.  Things like Britney’s “3” kind of work because it has a heavy beat, but N’Sync?  Hell no.   

Third, think about who we celebrate in that stadium.  Woodley, Graham, Branch, Jackson, Shazor, Edwards, Hart, etc.  Players known for destroying opposing QBs, running over LBs, insane catches, etc.  If the song you’re playing doesn’t sound like something you could toss on a Brandon Graham highlight reel, consider picking a different song.  “Hail To The Victors” and “Lets Go Blue” hasvean edge, but you guys play them so much I’ll still  be hearing them 10 years after I die.  The Hawaiian War Chant, Temptation work best with muppets and Varsity makes me reflexively reach for my smart phone to go check scores.  I respect their traditional role, but I suggest the pre-game show for them.

Finally, just because their old people in the stadium doesn’t mean they’re all boring.  Penn State pumps in Zombie Nation and the entire place goes nuts.  Yes some people will resist change, but you can make modern stuff part of the game day experience.
 

Some specifics:

Rap music really lends itself to the big band conversion.   My high school band always did “Roll Out” by Ludacris when the team took the field and “I Like Big Butts” whenever a lineman made a good play.  “Act a Fool” when we had a breakaway play (“too fast, too furious for y’all”).  Personally I’d love to see the MSU band play its show and then as they’re walking off the field see the MMB come out playing “Move Bitch” by Luda.  That would get the student section rocking.   If you don’t tell people what you’re playing, the old folks won’t even know they should be offended.  Our band used to call their Ludacris show  “ A Series of Contemporary Pieces Inspired by Christopher Brian Bridges”  (CBB is Luda’s real name).  I’m betting you could get a decent show out of Timbaland (“The Moring After Dark” kind of fits in with what we hope this season will be, I’d think the horn section and drum section could do some amazing things with that song), Trick Daddy, T.I. and Pitbull also might be worth taking a look at.  All the student section really wants is a heavy beat we can use to get pumped up.   Notice how “Living On a Prayer” always gets us rocking.  

 Internet memes are on occasion fun.  You should learn “Party in the USA” for the PSU Game, even though it breaks the no pop rule: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N1o6JXRe4w (even  better if you can get that video on the jumbotron as you play it).  SNSD “Oh” would of course work for the Iowa game and if you have the dance team learn the moves it just gets better.  A lot of people read MGoBlog, so the younger crowd would get the reference and get excited.

That weird little drum cadence the band does between quarters needs to go away.  Where the cymbal players run around and some drum sticks get tossed.  Yes, I get it your coordinated, but it has no edge.  The only time I pay attention to it is if I’m bored and hoping someone gets conked on the head with a stick or hit with a cymbal.  If you’re going to do a little thing like that, have an edge or go play Varsity in front the alum section to keep the old people happy. 

End of the day, remember most of us in the stadium are some combination of drunk and dehydrated.  We’re living off adrenaline, give us a shot in the arm so we’re floating right on it when the 3rd quarter kicks off.  Complex harmonies from operas are completely wasted on those who are wasted.

Oh yes and more of that running around the stadium and playing in small groups.  That by far is the best thing you do.  Having the tuba guy walk up beside me and belt out a song always helps pump me up.  

Beavis

August 4th, 2010 at 1:34 PM ^

I agree 100% and I have never been in a band, let alone a marching band.

Quit trying to be so precise, and pump up the volume.  This is college football, not an auditorium.

(I might be being a bit harsh on the band - I had Poli Sci GSI my sophomore year who was involved in the band and she was single handedly the biggest bitch I have ever met in my life.)

Beavis

August 4th, 2010 at 2:14 PM ^

If I were in the band, I would want some combination of:

1) Feeling as if I did a good job

2) Support from my peers for the service I was providing them

There has to be a happy medium somewhere. 

And to as what a real MMB member would want - I have no idea.  I do not have the personality or the expertise to play in the MMB.  Plus I'm too old. 

Njia

August 4th, 2010 at 2:26 PM ^

I didn't say that the band could be "imprecise" for the sake of volume. Quite the contrary. In a stadium the size of the Big House, lack of precision + volume just sounds like droning, (see: "soccer, World Cup, vuvuzelas").

The problem with trying to play with dynamics in a football stadium is that the band is trying to fill a huge space with sound, dealing with echoes and reflected sound, and trying to overcome the crowd noise. Dynamics are a tricky business. The human ear hears acoustic structure pretty well, (also dissonance, which is why the band can't play out of tune). So, the only way to really be heard over the din is to play "loud" and "louder", but with precision.

gbdub

August 4th, 2010 at 3:36 PM ^

You make a good point. There seems to be an attitude among some band members posting here that good music can't be loud or fun, and fun music can't be good (or "musical"). This is silly, as proven by the MMB itself many times. Fun and/or popular music can be done really well (see, from recent MMB albums: Green Day, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, and my guilty pleasure, Livin' On a Prayer (it was played during a few epic comebacks, what can I say)). Big band is also great (In the Mood, Caravan, Big Noise from Winnetka). All of these are loud, uptempo tunes and can get people pumped up and having fun. They are also, particularly in well-done arrangements, good music. Don't be afraid to throw in some schtick, like the Ferris Bueller or Monty Python shows, or the "Can't Turn You Loose" cake formation, which always gets people cheering.

Consider the Broadway musicals Spamalot and The Producers. These were both pure, goofy schtick, but it was really well done schtick. Because of this, they were wildly popular but still respected by "serious" critics (and each won a pile of Tony awards). Or consider the oft-mentioned drum corp style bands like Grambling etc. No one doubts their technical prowess, but they are also a riot to watch.

I think this overly serious attitude is coming from the directors - I base that on my years in high school marching band, where we similarly had a director who sometimes thought we should only play serious music. But this isn't going to work. You can't play opera with huge dynamic ranges on the field, because no one can sing a long to it and no one can hear it. Save that for the Hill shows, or whenever people are coming specifically to see the band. Then you can really show off your multi-dimensional music chops and let the flute section have a solo. On the field, where you're vying against all sorts of half time noise and distractions, you have to be bold, fun, and loud. You can definitely do this without sacrificing musical integrity - so go for it, have fun, play well, and, most importantly, be entertaining. It's why we love you guys.

Waxing Gibbous

August 5th, 2010 at 7:36 PM ^

This.

The Monty Python show is still my favorite because it was not only about the music, it was about fun and incorporated the football rivalries too. My second favorite band show was in South Bend when the ND band did a tribute to the Pixar movie 'Cars'. Got a great reaction, fun formations (who doesn't love fire extinguishers) and music nearly everyone had fresh on their minds.

While the music is primary, it's also about grabbing the audience with visuals and things they can relate to without getting a headache (like opera).

Wolverine318

August 5th, 2010 at 7:48 AM ^

Agreed. I love jazz shows especially afro-cuban. The Arturo Sandoval show was awesome. It was very similar to a show my high school band performed that won us the state title in Michigan in flight 2 and second runners up at BOA. 

Hard Gay

August 4th, 2010 at 1:35 PM ^

Oh come on man, the boy band show was pretty well received in the student section.

Inevitable bitter MGoUser response: "I was in the student section and i didn't cheer at all"

Well, you were one of few, most people around me went crazy.  Nothing gets drunk sorority girls off their rocker like boy bands.  All though I guess nobody in the stadium above the age of 24 or outside of sections 26-33 enjoyed it.

There need to be more sketch shows.  That Ferris Bueller show was fantastic, and nothing has come close to that in my time here.  I think the band's problem is that most shows seemto revolve around one particular style of music or one artist.  There is no way that someone in the crowd of 110000 doesn't hate that particular artist/genre and won't get offended.  I think that was part of the reason why the Ferris Bueller show was well received.  Aside from being innovative and entertaining, the music selection wasn't limited to one genre or artists, so you weren't hearing the same thing for the entire show.  I'm not a creative genius but maybe the band should start considering show themes that don't restrict song and genre selection for each show.

Also bullwinkle should be played in the stands.

ituralde

August 4th, 2010 at 2:44 PM ^

There's lots of it out there.  If nothing else, play all the NFL films shit.  That stuff is awesome.  Also an arrangement of Dvorak's 9th, 4th movement would be awesome. 

Bocheezu

August 4th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^

Not a stroll up and down the field band. Look at the pregame back in '86 -- highstepping everywhere. That's a marching band. After the best band entrance in the country, the energy level just goes way down for our band. Apperantly they stopped highstepping The Victors around '97 or so. Why? Bring it back. I even like how they salute the other team -- move around a little bit, don't do that slow highstep thing that you do now.

Sambojangles

August 5th, 2010 at 8:57 PM ^

I agree. A little movement would go a long way, I think, in helping get the energy level up and make the show more aesthetically pleasing.

The only counter I can think of is that it's probably really freakin' hard to highstep while simultaneously carrying around and blowing into an instrument trying to play in tune. I imagine the movement was toned down to accommodate the band playing louder and more precise.

Hard Gay

August 4th, 2010 at 9:39 PM ^

I just watched the Norwegian Royal Guard or something do some sort of show and they did a piece that was a tribute to Ennio Morricone.  It included "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" and "Ecstasy of Gold," among others.

People on the board have said this before, but the MMB should do a show like this, with Ecstasy of Gold being balls to the walls blast your goddamn face off finale.  Then recycle that to be used between 3rd and 4th quarter.

WolverineHistorian

August 6th, 2010 at 10:08 PM ^

I'm a big fan of the MMB.  Always have been.  Whenever I go to games with my dad, I always make sure we're in that stadium a half hour early so I won't miss pregame.  With that said, I agree with those who said the pregame needs to be tweaked just a bit.  And by tweaked, I mean go back to the format it was in the 80's through the mid-90's.  Varsity is not needed and it's not enough to keep the crowd pumped up.  Everything to that point is exciting and then...Varsity.  It just doesn't fit.  Up until 1996, the band never played Varsity during pregame.  Back then, the band would break off into a different formation once they reached the 50 yard line for the opposing team's fight song and then play a random fun song where they would go nuts and sometimes even dance.  The crowd would always eat that up. 

The high stepping during the Victors in the old days was more pleasing to watch but I understand that it's much more tiring to do that for an entire show.  The Victors was played a little slower back then and I preferred that tempo.  I like that the band plays "Let's go blue," now right before the national anthem and that the football team runs through them when they touch the banner.  Those are nice recent additions.  Get rid of Varsity and play a song that gets the crowd excited and the pregame is perfect.

Here's the band's pregame from the 1987 Rose Bowl.  After saluting Arizona State, they launch into "Living in America," where they dance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Fez4YXOTs

This format is perfect.

When it comes to halftime, it all comes down to the music choices the director makes.  Opera music is just not going to cut it for a football game.