wnymichfan

December 21st, 2010 at 1:02 PM ^

it does say just above the depth chart that they do not take into consideration injured players, red shirted players, incoming freshmen, or transfers. That would be why woolfolk is not on there.  It says they will add these players in their spring issue of the same thing.

StephenRKass

December 21st, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^

Let's finish this season first.

As regards 2011, I hope the negative Nancy's don't crab and stir the pot if Michigan does anything less than win the MNC. For crying out loud, some people are never satisfied. If we won the MNC, they'd crab that we should do that EVERY year. There's a derogatory term used of certain sorority girls in my day that could apply here.

NateVolk

December 21st, 2010 at 1:04 PM ^

Dissatisfaction this year is mostly for failing to meet a way lower standard than a National Title: try improvement against league programs that we will have to beat to amount to anything.  We showed none. Don't kid yourself. That is the source of people being satisfied. 

Couple that with a general fear of where this all leads when the reasonable excuses have been used up, and you have a divided and skeptical fan base.

One more point: There are very very few regular board comments that are an insult to the intelligence of the people on here. This thing is loaded with great smart fans.  But the association in any way between what Rich is doing and the inevitability of eventual National Titles makes us all look dumb. I see it again and again, and it is silly. 

Just as silly as the idea that we could never win big switching back to a more basic pro style offense. Neither proposition is grounded in any sort of reality.

OMG Shirtless

December 21st, 2010 at 5:42 PM ^

"Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise --- the other, loyalty."  Fielding Yost

I don't care what your opinion on Rich Rod is, you're entitled to that.  However, the fact that you still haven't changed your signature since you decided to turn into tl;dr, FIRE RICH ROD, UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!1!!1!one!!! makes you look foolish.  Must be your MSU grad side showing.

zeda_p

December 21st, 2010 at 7:45 PM ^

But I want to add one more point – I believe it's how we lost that's adding to the undercurrent of frustration.

Like many out there, I was pro RR  up until the Penn State game. That game broke me. Not only did we lose to a team we should have beat, but we did it in a way that doesn't jive with the attitude of success. We – as in our coach, team, and University – made excuses for why we lost, rather than taking responsibility and saying we failed. That's not being a leader and that's not being Michigan. 

As an institution, we get a lot of crap for arrogance. Any you know what, we deserve it. We are arrogant, we believe everyone and everything associated with University must strive for excellence, to lead by example. But to be that, to be us, you have to back it up. You have to win – and just as importantly, you have to admit it when you don't. As a leader, you have to jump on that granade and take full responsibility and say you failed. Don't argue, just admit – completely.

And say you will never let it happen again. 

As we all know, RR doesn't do this. It's always "yeah but.." or "it happened because..." or "next year." Though his points are true and make sense, by simply stating the reasons, rather than owning failure, he's making excuses – and Michigan doesn't do that. If RR owned the teams failure and vowed to fix it, I believe more fans would still be onboard, wistfully dreaming of next year. But that hasn't happened. 

This is why I think people like Harbaugh – not just because he went to Michigan but more importantly, he takes accountability. 

Winning championships is just as important to Michigan as how we do it. As the old saying goes, sports are a metaphor for how we view ourselves. We all want to be winners, but Michigan needs to do it with character. 

BigBlue02

December 21st, 2010 at 8:34 PM ^

Please go and root for another team. I hate "your type" of fan.

Also, RichRod takes plenty of blame, along with blaming the coaches, in every press conference, all the time. The only problem is none of that goes well with the "RichRod blames everyone but himself" meme, so none of those quotes ever make it to the newspapers. As I said, please go root for someone else.

zeda_p

December 21st, 2010 at 9:14 PM ^

I was just giving you my opinion. I'm sorry you found it so offensive – but I guess 'your type'  can only stand viewpoints similar to your own.

Tell me something, what are message boards for? Why are you hear? Why do you read them? I find it a bit ironic that on a medium for sharing ideas, you can't stand reading them.

Also, memes, they exist for a reason. Like Acoms Razor. 

 

Glad you're a Michigan fan though. Keep the passion but maybe, don't speak in such generalities. If you reread what I wrote, I think you'll see that your argument doesn't make sense.


McSomething

December 22nd, 2010 at 1:54 AM ^

I was just giving you my opinion.

I truly hate his defense for ridiculous statements. Someone will make a comment that is completely wrong. Then when called out on it they claim it's simply "their opinion." Yeah? Well, it's my opinion that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow, and that elephants are actually no more than 3 feet tall. But don't try to prove me wrong. Because it's simply my opinion, and those can never be wrong.

tlh908

December 21st, 2010 at 1:18 PM ^

If we happen to win the MNC next year it will only because Denard had exceptionally good performances against OSU and Nebraska, therefore winning those games is discounted.  Because without Denard we would easily lose those games and therefore RR is just as close to being 7-5 as to be a MNC contender.  A MNC wouldn't prove anything about RR.

/s

UMAmaizinBlue

December 21st, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^

Yes please! I love speaking in mgoblog code around my girlfriend, and her having no idea what "YTM", "NTTAWWT", or "NTMSU" mean.

 

[After some research, Nebraska is actually the University of Nebraska, so they'd be UN, thus there is still only one NU, being Northwestern University. No new acronyms = Sad Panda.]

justingoblue

December 21st, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^

I hate how all those schools do that. It seems like everyone in the Big 12 (including Nebraska right now) seems to think they root for "Oklahoma University" and "Kansas University" and the like.

What the hell is wrong with just saying the name of the school or the actual acronym, kind of like how we say, "U of M" or "Michigan"?

/stupid rant

GoBlogSparty

December 21st, 2010 at 5:03 PM ^

I was talking about Northwestern. They seem to fly under the radar and pick up 8 wins for the past few years. They always get the best of Iowa and their system can give any defense fits. Dan Persa is a good QB. Before him, CJ Bacher was a good QB. Before him Brett Basanez was a good QB. They seem to churn out quality players every year.

ChalmersE

December 21st, 2010 at 3:09 PM ^

If you agree that Michigan should beat Notre Dame at home in the first night game at the Big House, then this team should be 6-0 when it heads to East Lansing.    The rest of the schedule should net at least two wins so anything worse than 8-4 would be a disappointment. 

steve sharik

December 21st, 2010 at 3:43 PM ^

Harbaugh:

  • Before Stanford: ZERO experience in BCS conference or BCS bowl games (or even FBS)
  • Year 1 at Stanford = 4-8
  • Year 2 = 5-7
  • Year 3 = 8-5, capped with a loss at the Sun Bowl featuring a Heisman candidate (Toby Gerhart)
  • Preseason Year 4 = unranked in both AP and Coaches' Poll
  • Year 4 = 11-1, BCS Bowl appearance, likely top 10 finish

Rodriguez:

  • Before Michigan: OC for 12-0 FBS Tulane, OC for BCS member Clemson, HC for BCS member WVU, 2 BCS bowl wins (hell yes, I'm counting that last one, it was his team for chrissakes), 3 consecutive top 10 finishes.
  • Year 1 at Michigan = 3-9
  • Year 2 = 5-7
  • Year 3 = 7-5 capped with Gator Bowl appearance, featuring a Heisman candidate (Shoelace)
  • Preseason Year 4 = #24 (if we are to believe this resource's credibility)
  • Year 4 = ????

Now tell me, Harbaugh lovers, what evidence is there to suggest Harbaugh is a better coach?  As a good friend of mine likes to say, "The proof is in the pudding."

mzdmv

December 21st, 2010 at 7:16 PM ^

Anyone else find it funny that they list Obi Ezeh as a key loss?

I mean sure he's a linebacker but you can grab any student to just take up space and a blocker.

T-town Wolv

December 22nd, 2010 at 12:01 AM ^

looks a bit better without a D2 "cupcake" team. SDSU is a very smart out of conference opponent to check how good we perform outside the MAC and B10 opponents, plus ND. I'd like an 8-5 season is the minimum, if we stay the course. But it looks like a very good season to get 9 or 10 wins with the toss-ups being MSU, Iowa, and the Fighting Zook's. I'm thinking if the defense is even slightly improved from the despicable paper-thin shade of what it used to be, it's looking like at least a late December bowl. If the defense shows vast improvement, i.e. MM stays healthy, Death Row is a great compliment to MM, the secondary can defend a paper bag, and Demens turns into the next Lamar Woodley, we're looking at a January bowl for sure. 



The biggest thing to pay attention to in my opinion is the defensive coordinator business. If the ol' HC goes out and gets an established DC, then we're in luck, but if we take a risk, I'll start to hang my head in shame, figuratively. 



This is just a couple of running hypotheticals that've been running through head.

justingoblue

December 22nd, 2010 at 2:19 AM ^

I'm about the biggest RR supporter you'll find. But 8-5 next season would be cause for UNACCEPTABLE MICHIGAN RABBLE RABBLE. We deserve better than that and he needs to perform above that level next year. That said, I completely think he does.

McSomething

December 22nd, 2010 at 2:25 AM ^

...unless we go undefeated and win a MNC, there will highly likely be a very vocal section of the fanbase claiming "rabblerabbleUNACCEPTABLE!rabblerabble." That section of fans will probably shrink with each win beyond, say, 8 (pre-bowl game). But they'll still be there.

Hell, there will probably still be some out there claiming it. If only because he didn't achieve it sooner. Or they simply state that they're glad he (RichRod) won, but they still feel he should've been fired after 08.

GunnersApe

December 22nd, 2010 at 7:45 AM ^

2010 USA/Coaches preseason poll. (#)=current spot  

 

1. Alabama (18)

2. Ohio State (6)

3. Florida (UR)

4. Texas (UR)

5. Boise State (10)

6. Virginia Tech (11)

7. TCU (3)

8. Oklahoma (9)

9. Nebraska (16)

10. Iowa (UR)

11. Oregon (1)

12. Wisconsin (4)

13. Miami (UR)

14. Penn State (UR)

15. Pitt (UR)

16. LSU (12)

17. Georgia Tech (UR)

18. North Carolina (UR)

19. Arkansas (8)

20. Florida State (23)

21. Georgia (UR)

22. Oregon State (UR)

23. Auburn (2)

24. Utah (19)

25. West Virginia (21)

 

In summary, preseason polls means fuckall.