NOLA Wolverine

October 9th, 2011 at 12:31 PM ^

It's nice that our schedue let's us pan out as the 2010 Michigan State team as we continue building up into the future. Not ony has Brady Hoke and the stuff done everything and more right so far, the stars line up for them to suceed. Looking like a great forecast for the future of Michigan football. 

Trader Jack

October 9th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^

I will probably be negged as well, but I agree. There is an Ohio University, and they are a MAC team with a Bobcat as their mascot. I hate the Buckeyes just as much as Hoke or any of you do, but they have an actual name. It's Ohio State. Calling them "Ohio" makes us sound petty, arrogant, & stupid.

Yost Ghost

October 9th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^

we refer to tsio with their proper name? Because I'll never be on that program. I'm with Hoke on this one. I will never refer to tsio as anything other than tsio and I won't even give them the satisfaction of capitalizing it either. I don't like them and I don't repsect them. Maybe I did once when Woody was there but now that their officially SEC style cheaters, no way.


October 9th, 2011 at 2:31 PM ^

One of the special charms of college football that doesn't exist anywhere else, even in college basketball (they have them obviously, but most don't pay attention due to the tournament) are the top 25 lists. Fans love when their team gets in them, and love to debate them. I love them myself, and even though I don't think we are the 10th best team in the country, am happy to see us listed there.

Michigan Arrogance

October 9th, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^

I feel like this M team is kind of like those pre-Dantonio Aggie teams that creep up to the top 10-15 with a squeeker win over ND and solid wins over a few crappy teams. then they play M and the rest of the B10 and lose 3/5. I hope i'm wrong.

Magnum P.I.

October 9th, 2011 at 12:40 PM ^

One thing that a lot of people have forgotten in the wreckage of the last three seasons is that our talent level is still immensely higher than any other Big Ten team except for OSU, Penn State and maybe Nebraska and Wisconsin. We have much better players than those MSU teams of yesteryear that you're referencing. Our guys played nowhere near their potential the past few years, so it's easy to forget that. We're still scratching the surface of what we're capable of as a team, and I think we'll only get better as the year progresses. 


October 9th, 2011 at 9:09 PM ^

He did test the D, and the D responded (eventually).

I think NW will do some damage to the rest of the division and the league.  They lost to Army and to Illinois when Persa was out.  If he can stay in, they will beat some teams (I'm looking at you NE and MSU).

For me, MSU is the final data point before the bye week to say if we are back or just improving.  If we win, we are for real and are in the hunt for the division championship.  We may not win it, but we will have a shot at it.  That is a full turnaround from the last three years.  

Magnum P.I.

October 9th, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^

If Denard plays like he did in the second half, and with our staff, I honestly think that we can beat any team in college football. Northwestern is a good team, and we beat them soundly in their house after a shaky start. We're getting better every week. We haven't put all the pieces together yet this year, but if/when we do, it's going to be beautiful. Hopefully it happens next weekend in East Lansing. 


October 9th, 2011 at 3:33 PM ^

"Any team in college football"?  I definitely think we should be currently ranked Top 12 b/c, as has been pointed out, we deserve it based on resume, but have you seen Alabama/Stanford/Oklahoma/LSU?  I think Alabama would literally beat Northwestern 50-7, if not by more.  They have seven players on their D (all experienced) who are currently projected to be first or second round NFL picks.  They have signed 73 players in the last four years who are 4 or 5 stars.  I think Saban is a low-life, but the guy can recruit and coach.

You can find the other frightening stats here (e.g., one coach compared them to an NFC South team).…

Let's enjoy our (hopeful? likely?) march to 10 wins this season, but not get carried away - while Michigan definitely should be ranked #10 right now, there's a much larger gap btw the #1-5 teams and us, than there is btw us and the #25 team.


October 9th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^

I think Ga. Tech is underrated, Va. Tech is good (because Clemson is for real), and I think Arkansas is likely better than us, and it doesn't make sense to me that we should have a 10 next to our name right now. That said, I think a case can be made for us over every other team ranked below us.

A lot of the teams in the top 25 have glaring holes that they overcome. As a result, I'm pretty sure we're #10 because of coaching. Do we have holes? Yes, our play in the first half yesterday is a good indicator. However, our second half showed that our coaches know how to adjust and turn what we have into a win.

Not only that, but we have yet to give up a TD of 30 yards, and the longest play against our defense is 39 - yesterday. Our turnover margin is excellent, our scoring offense is at 38 per game.

It looks weird - and it feels WRONG - but given the state of other teams right now, it's not as far off as we might think.

Maize and Blue…

October 9th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^

Good because they lost to the only real team they have played.  Miami is not good and could just as easily won against VaTech yesterday as lost.  VaTech will have a great record this year yet they play nobody and will be over ranked come the end of the year.  They will be favored in every game they have left unless they reach the ACC championship game.


October 9th, 2011 at 1:23 PM ^

Georgia Tech has played nobody and still has had a close couple of games.

Virginia Tech isn't good.  Logan Thomas throws interceptions like it's his job and they rely heavily on their running game which isn't spectacular.  They have a solid defense but it isn't great.  They've had close games with some not-so-good teams in Miami, East Carolina, and Marshall and got solidly beaten at home against the only good team they've played in Clemson.  I hate how people think Virginia Tech is a good team, they almost always lose to the better teams they play out of their conference (Boise State, Stanford, Alabama - beat an up-and-down Nebraska team and a 7-5 Tennessee team though).


Sorry for the rant, I'm a VT student and tired of people thinking Frank Beamer is a top 3 coach in the NCAA.  VT isn't gooooooooooooooooooooooood.


October 9th, 2011 at 12:38 PM ^

I will agree with most of you, we do not look like a power house top ten team. We are not alone. It's not just the BIG 10 that is down this year. With the exception of 5-8 teams, everyone looks beat-able.


October 9th, 2011 at 3:19 PM ^

If this was November or December yes, however it's October and we have half a season left. For the current time and place being unbeaten is a solid reason for a top ten ranking. That being said we could probably coin flip for most of the spots and have as good a shot at getting it right (see FSU, Texas)


October 9th, 2011 at 12:41 PM ^

to get past the Northwestern Wes Welkers this week and I think the ND, WMU, and SDSU wins should look good by the end of the year.  Next week should tell us a lot about the team - if they can come home with a win at Sparty it should show us where this team is headed for the rest of the season.


October 9th, 2011 at 12:42 PM ^

I don't know if we're Top 10 yet, but the signs are incredibly encouraging.  Last year, if Denard throws 3 picks in the first half on the road, we lose that game.  That we came out in the 2nd half and pulled it together to finish the 'Cats off with margin to spare is just so exciting.  I'm tempering my irrational optimism until the conclusion of next week's contest in East Lansing, though.

biakabutuka ex…

October 9th, 2011 at 12:49 PM ^

Everyone needs to stop complaining about how high they're ranked. First of all, that's a silly thing to complain about. Secondly, there aren't any teams that deserve to be higher. The problem is there aren't a lot of middle class teams this year to fill the 10-20 spots. Enter Michigan.


October 9th, 2011 at 12:58 PM ^

Even without OSU, the B10 has six teams ranked in the top 25. Also, the SEC remains very top heavy, with a sharp drop-off after Bama, LSU and Arkansas.

marco dane

October 9th, 2011 at 1:16 PM ^

will determine the TRUE character of this team. The ranking will come later...much to early to be concerned about this trival matter.

Let's allow this month to play out before being to overly concerned about being ranked...

Mr. Yost

October 9th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^

Sorry, but once again, we're not as good as our ranking suggests.

People have the argument "well, who do you put over us?"

I don't look at it like that. I look at it from a few things...

#1 How is a top 10 teams supposed to look/play?
IMO a top 10 team looks like Oklahoma St. or Stanford...a top 5 team looks like Alabama, LSU, Wisconsin...To me we're playing at a #15-#17 level.

#2 What is the final record that spot will have?
IMO, the #10 team in the country will have 2 MAYBE 3 losses. I can't say for sure that we meet that quite yet. A win over MSU? Yes. But not yet. We have to beat someone noteworthy for me to feel like we're elite or close to elite. So far, ND at home in a magical comeback is our best win. Beat MSU and you've got something. Beat MSU and we should clearly get to 10-0 IMO.

#3 Consistencies and Efficiency
Last night we were neither. In the first half we played like the #30 ranked team, in the second half we played like the #3 ranked team (oddly enough, average that out and you get 16.5...which falls in that #15-#17 range I said in point #1). Also efficiency...3 picks in 1 half is unacceptable, we're still beating ourself too much. If you punt on those 3 drives rather than throw likely take points off the board for N'Western. I'm not saying we have to score every drive. But the turnovers cannot be as excessive.

In short, I think we're around the #15 team this week, beat MSU and #10 is warranted. Beat Purdue and Iowa, #7. Beat Illinois, #5. Beat Nebraska, #3. Beat OSU, #1-2.

So in the end, you get the same result. But I just think there is a ways to go before we can say we're a top 10 team. Beat someone real first and then let's talk.

Mr. Yost

October 10th, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^

That's the thinking/mindset that I don't agree with...

I don't think "what teams should be ranked higher"....I think, "is this team playing like a top 10 team."

Question, yes or no. Was Texas the eleventh best team in the country up until last week?

That is my point, I don't care if I can't named 11 teams better than Texas going into that game with OU. The point is, they are not even a top 20 team this year. Period. And it showed.

They hadn't beaten anyone of substance and hadn't faced any legit comp until they ran up against the Sooners and got SMACKED.

Michigan's first legit comp is MSU. I'm not saying they're going to lose, I think we'll win a close one. But we don't know if Michigan is a top 10 calibur team until they play someone noteworthy.

All of the LEGIT top teams have beaten someone. Not just ND and Northwestern. But Florida, Oregon, Georgia, Nebraska, etc. The only team that hasn't is Stanford. (However I'd still make the case for them because of last season, returning players, and what they've done this year to the comp in terms of consistency and execution that we've shown in spurts, but not 4 qtrs outside of Minny).


October 9th, 2011 at 2:35 PM ^

it doesn't mean very good or excellent... it just means exactly that.  by the way, stanford, is top 5.  

Just because you think top 10 means excellent team, doesn't make it so. an excellent team is an excellent team. the #10 rank team means just that, whether it's playing worse than high-schoolers or better than NFL teams.


October 9th, 2011 at 2:59 PM ^

In regards to #2, the polls have something of a predictive nature to them. By ranking us 10th, that shows that many people think that we will finish with 2-ish losses. If you don't think that is the case, then if you were a voter you could've slotted us lower, as I'm sure some voters did. It is not a guarantee that we will finish with 2-ish losses, that is just what the general consensus among the voters is.

Also, as maquih mentioned, 10th has no implication for quality of play, it simply means that they believe we are the 10th best team in the country, however good or bad that is varies from year to year.