Night_King

July 29th, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^

Every year the hoops team is underrated and the football team is overrated in pre season polls. Let's just let it play out. Losing Wagner, MAAR and D. Robinson is tough, but I still think this is a top ~15 team.  

ldevon1

July 29th, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^

I'm not sure and I really don't care to learn how this BPI is determined, but just looking at some of the 39 teams ahead of Michigan tells you this formula is flawed. Whatever preseason basketball rankings will do for you in July, this one will not look like this in November. 

TrueBlue2003

July 29th, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^

Probably want to add an MBB to the title next time.  I think it's equally surprising for basketball as it would be football but we're in full on football preseason mode.

Mr Miggle

July 29th, 2018 at 2:59 PM ^

They're almost guaranteed to be closer than last season when they had 9 Big Ten teams in their top 50, no Michigan. Now we're at least slated for 9th in the Big Ten.

 

 

 

NittanyFan

July 29th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^

Marquette's going to be the 4th best team (effectively, a #1 seed in the NCAA) in the nation next year?

Maybe, but seems odd for a team that lost in the 3rd round of the NIT last year, and has only 1 4-star recruit coming in.

I do wonder if they've done any back-validation on their algorithm?  Probably not.

TrueBlue2003

July 29th, 2018 at 3:41 PM ^

Yeah, that stood out to me too.  They were 53rd team in kenpom last year.  Had an absolutely horrendous defense (at like 180th after being 160th the season before).

They even lose their highest usage offensive player, so it's not like they even get everyone back.  That's a total head-scratcher.

The weird thing is that the article says "though BPI's projections won't come out until the fall..." so if these aren't projections, what are they?

My best guess as to why this is such a bad ranking is that I assume they're just applying the the same Ortgs and win shares per minute that players produced the prior year.

So for Michigan, a guy like Poole with a meh Ortg of 108 is perhaps "projected" to do that in increased minutes.  And if he plays 75 percent of minutes at only 108 Ortg, the offense will struggle mightily.  But he's probably not going to be that inefficient.

Perhaps that's what they're going to "project" in the fall: actual improvement (or a lack thereof) from players already on the roster.

Ty Butterfield

July 29th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^

Fine with me. I would rather have the basketball team be off the radar to start the season. Michigan lost a lot of talent and it will take some time for the new group of players to gel. Hopefully Beilein has this team firing on all cylinders come late February. 

TrueBlue2003

July 29th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^

It also rates teams on a "coaches past performances on offense and defense."

So assuming that takes into account numerous years, it would factor in a lot of meh Beilein defenses and not be weighing Yaklich defenses into that part of the formula.

Given that they were 3rd in defensive efficiency, will probably have better defenders playing more minutes this year, and are in year 2 of Yaklich, I would expect the defense to be top 5 in the country.  Elite once again.  This has them ranked 13th, probably dragged backwards by Beileins deeper history which isn't relevant to next year.

HailHail47

July 29th, 2018 at 3:55 PM ^

We might be deeper than last year. We return three starters from a team that went to the NC.

We return the best Defensive PG in the country. We also add a promising Freshman to the PG mix. 

We lose MAAR, but have Jordan Poole replace him. Poole might be the most talented player Beilein has ever had. He has NBA written all over him. 

Livers will get better offensively and plus we add Johns to the mix, who might be even better. 

Matthews will likely improve his shooting. If he does not, we have Brazdeikis, a borderline five star to replace him. 

Teske will be better than expected. He will probably be a double double guy consistently if he is hitting 30 minutes. 

Unless the offense takes two steps backwards, this is a top 25 team at worst.   We might be a top 5 team again if we see improvement at the right positions. 

 

MGoBender

July 29th, 2018 at 8:14 PM ^

Poole might be the most talented player Beilein has ever had. He has NBA written all over him.

I'd cool the jet engines a bit there.  Poole has a long way to go.  I don't see him being "the guy" this upcoming year; still going to be total system offense.  At the same time, I would bet on Poole having enough of a big year that he'll be gone.

I think Iggy is just as likely as Poole or Matthews to be our leading scorer.

cletus318

July 29th, 2018 at 4:09 PM ^

BPI underranked Michigan all last season as well (finished 12th), so it's not shocking that it would underrate a team that effectively lost three starters and most of its proven shooting without recruiting at Kentucky levels (which the formula overvalues).

TrueBlue2003

July 29th, 2018 at 4:30 PM ^

Kentucky is actually ranked 22th and Duke is 9th. 

I would argue that it undervalues incoming talent and dramatically overvalues returning production.  They say it heavily weights returning production which is why teams like Marquette (4th), Wisconsin (8th), Iowa (19th) and Illinois (21st) are ranked so high despite all being bad to worse last year.  Those are all pretty absurd rankings.  I don't think it matters that much if a team returns a lot of players from a mediocre to bad team.  That probably just means they'll be slightly better than mediocre to bad the following year if they didn't bring in a big infusion of talent. 

 

Perkis-Size Me

July 29th, 2018 at 4:13 PM ^

Okie dokie then. Guess we’ll just have to let Beilein’s on-court production do the talking for him. 

Thats usually worked out pretty well in the past, hasn’t it?

Prince Lover

July 29th, 2018 at 4:41 PM ^

Well damn, and here I was strongly lookIng forward to the season. Guess I won’t be now....

 

 

Lol, can’t wait for this team to hit the floor (no, not sparty style) 

They’re gonna be good!

Go Blue!!!

MichiganTeacher

July 29th, 2018 at 9:10 PM ^

Sometimes I have students in my class who do no work, don't care, and aren't all that smart to begin with.

And I wonder how they will find a job and support themselves in the future.

And now I know where those people work when they grow up.

bronxblue

July 29th, 2018 at 10:04 PM ^

ESPN has consistently tried to get their own metrics off the ground, and with few exceptions they've failed.  BPI is just one of those attempts, and this preseason list sorta highlights why.  

What cracked me up was Syracuse being a top-8 team.  This was a squad that just barely got into the tournament last year, with an atrocious offense and very good defense, and returns a couple of good players but also a recruiting class that finished 41st in 2018 and is building on the 2 previous classes of 38th (2017) and 18th (2016), and 2 of the three guys in that class are gone.  So I'm a bit lost about how a team that can't really shoot and plays pretty good defense can compete against the best teams in the country, but apparently their system says it will and the intern tasked with actually looking at the list just pushed the publish button.

Beaublue

July 30th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^

MSU at 13 and Michigan at 40????

I know I am biased but I think player v player we are better than MSU.

PG:  I would take Simpson over Winston

SG:  Poole over Langford

SF:  Matthews over whoever Sparty puts here.  Matthews will be the best player on the floor

PF:  I do like Tillman and so could an edge to Sparty but this even with Livers here

C:  Teske over Ward