Michael Floyd: Unlikely to miss any games
In today's Chicago Tribune, there's an article wherein Brian Kelly is quoted as saying that, if Floyd continues on the track he's on, he doesn't think Floyd will miss any games.
Not to beat a dead horse, but doesn't this seem a tad...lenient? And although I'm sure Brady Hoke doesn't look to other programs for guidance on how to discipline his players, what would the MGoCommunity think if Hoke came out and said something like this about Stonum? Just curious, as it seems from the prior posts I've read that a lot of folks on here would be disappointed in Hoke if Stonum isn't suspended.
I searched the board but didn't find this posted. Apologies if this article was posted already, but it seems unlikely, as it came out today.
Unless you get defiant when the cop asks to see your student ID, and you ask why he wants to see it and tell him that you'll give him your license which clearly shows you're of age. Then you spend the night in jail in A2. And they threaten to arrest your friend, who is also of age, and is inquiring as to why they are shoving you around and handcuffing you. I should add, though, that this was for having a foot on the sidewalk while holding a beer in a cup.
/stupidmouthofmine
I got an Open Intox once for taking a step back off a front lawn to let a train of people walk between me and whoever I was talking to. One foot hit the sidewalk and I instantly felt my arm being grabbed behind me. Boom! OpenIntox'd. That second UofM alcohol awareness certificate made the refrigerator for at least a year.
Still not as crazy as a friend's house that got a noise violation the night the Pistons won the championship at the same time when there were people jumping on cars on South University.
While Stonum's may have been on the lighter side of the DUI scale, it is still two seperate offenses. If we were just comparing Stonum's first DUI to Floyd's I'd agree with you. Stonum's next DUI will all but certainly put him in jail. Floyd's next DUI will probably result in a legal punishment similar to Stonum's most recent one.
From my perspective, if a kid does it in HS, he should be suspended for the season and school for a little while along with a principal/parent/student meeting.
In college it depends on the coach, but one DUI will get you held out for a series or a half in the South and maybe a game to a few games in AA.
In the NFL, no one cares so there is no punishment. Braylon got nothing for his last season. As long as no one is killed, it goes away quietly. Apparently in the NFL, even running over someone gets you, what... 30 days in jail? That shit was unbelieveable. Who cares that the victim was also drunk at the time.
Suspended for all or nothing? So there is no deterrent whatsoever associated with the crime because you can get arrested 3 times and not be punished at all, so long as you don't get arrested a 4th time?
What kind of political logic is that?
However, Stonum and Floyd are different cases.
Stonum has been caught driving drunk twice. Floyd has been caught driving drunk once and was caught drinking under age twice. From my perspective what Stonum has done is twice as bad because who didn't drink underage when they were in college. It doesn't hurt anyone but yourself and is only illegal because of an arbitrary age cutoff. Drunk driving, on the other hand, is much worse because it can affect other people who did not consent to your drunk ass running a stop sign or a light. Other people are injured and killed by the actions of drunk drivers. I don't think that anyone has ever been killed by a kid just being drunk at a party.
They should both be suspended, and in my opinion Floyd for at least 2 games and Stonum for twice as long as that.
Kelly's all or nothing logic is political puke for saying that I'm not going to suspend my star player for a huge game (i.e. Michigan at night).
I'm calling out Kelly for his nonsensical "all or nothing" punishment. Punishment is supposed to either (1) deterr people from committing the same act again, or (2) impute retribution upon the person who commited the reprehensible act.
Kelly's all or nothing punishment does not deter someone from getting another DUI because it is possible to get a DUI and not get another one and get no punishment for the first one.
As for my "everyone drinks in college" statement, seriously? Furthermore, I, as well as a host of other posters in this thread, explained why DUI is so much more serious than an MIP.
I'm not going to get into a debate about metaphysics or possibilities on here; but you probably don't know what I'm talking about anyway, so have a nice day son.
DUI's in my book are pretty serious. It only takes once to make a stupid mistake behind the wheel to kill someone. I had two friends while I was in highschool that were killed by a drunk driver. I don't care if this was his first offence, he should, at the very least, miss some games.
Exactly. A DUI is knowingly putting the life of yourself and other people in danger and should merit a suspension of some sort at a bare minimum. People who are getting money from the university should also be held to a pretty damn high standard.
As for Stonum, he certainly deserves a suspension for quite a few games.
So explain this "pretty damn high standard" to me. It applies in the case of a DUI, but not in the case of a MIP (presumably because every college student does it)? If it's a high standard, you cannot pick and choose where to apply that standard.
Can't compare Stonum and Floyd in this case. While DUIs are involved, Stonum is the MGoLeader with 2, Floyd 1. Stonum also was caught driving on a suspended license.
ResLife at ND (shockingly) didn't dole out the usual one and done sentence that has been in past practice. The adminstration has had some turnover in regard to some of the past administrations draconian policies. Does Floyd have a problem? Sure seems like it, and Kelly kicked him off the team for the better part of Spring practices, and if memory serves me correctly, he is still not listed on the official Roster.
DUIs are serious gents, whether think so or not. An examination of the situation should be done under due diligence and whatever punishment meted out. In this case Kelly set forth some items that needed to be addressed and Floyd is working his way back to the team.
Stonum on the other hand has 2 DUIs and a driving with a suspended license. Complete disregard for the second (and third) chances he was given.
There is a HUGE difference between MIPs and DUIs. I received an MIP in East Lansing after a UM/MSU football game(Lansing cops going after those in UM gear while similar violations by MSU fans were unticketed). It was like a parking ticket. I mailed in the ticket and fine and never heard about it again. I know lots of people who got MIPs in high school. DUIs risk the lives of others. There is no comparison between these offenses.
I don't see a problem with how he's approaching it. If he slips up again he's done permanently and if he doesn't he gets to play. Seems fair to me. Floyd has put him self in a situation where he has to either grow up or pay a huge price. Sure, it sucks that it takes this type of treatment for some people to change their ways but I would rather give someone a chance then just discard them. We have enough people wasting air as it is.
How is suspending him for a couple games the same as discarding him?
MIP = civil infraction
DUI = Reckless homicide
You forgot to include the phrase "at its most serious" after each of your equations. A DUI can lead to reckless homicide; an MIP, standing alone, can't ever rise above a civil infraction.
Without Floyd, Notre Dame's offense scares no one. I hope none of you expected that Floyd would actually be suspended, especially not when Notre Dame has championship aspirations lol (seen that on the bleacher report but I didn't waste any time reading it.)
I don't want to hear any excuses from the Irish faithful when Meeeechigan lays the smackdown on ND in primetime!!!!!!!!!!!