Miami (YTM) suspends player for punch. Interesting comparison

Submitted by Blue Lurker on October 19th, 2011 at 4:35 PM

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7123774/miami-hurricanes…

 

1 game for a punch and an handstomp

 

 
suspended by the university.   
 
"Micanor's actions in the North Carolina game will not be tolerated," first-year coach Al Golden said in a statement. "We expect our players to represent our program with class on and off the field, and when they do not, there are consequences. Quite honestly I'm embarrassed and I just apologized to Coach [Everett] Withers and shared that sentiment.

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M Fanfare

October 19th, 2011 at 4:38 PM ^

"We do not teach, nor will we ever condone this type of behavior in our football program."

That's a pretty big contrast from Saint Mark of East Lansing's non-response.

profitgoblue

October 19th, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^

This was exactly my point in a previous thread as to why continuing discussion about Gholston day after day is worthwhile.  Its not just Michigan's involvement, its a college football issue.  Should schools take proactive measures to ensure that its players do not embarrass the university by borderline criminal activity on the gridiron.  (I'm laying it on a bit thick, but you get what I'm saying.)  When discussing this issue in the Gholston context it does appear to be sprinkled with a bit of "sore loser" mentality but I don't think that is the case here.  Like another poster said, we would be having this discussion if it was a Nebraska player that punched a Wisconsin player, or whatever. 

I, for one, would be very upset if a Michigan player conducted himself like Gholston did and Hoke & Co. hesitated for even more than 1 day to suspend that player for at least 1 game.  There is no room for that kind of conduct in college football.  Also, shame on the refs for not kicking Gholston out of the game.

profitgoblue

October 19th, 2011 at 4:59 PM ^

You raise a good point.  I hear that Sparty is waiting for footage shot from one of the fans in attendance that allegedly shows Lewan as the thrower of the punch, not Gholston.  But they're having trouble tracking the 4-year-old down . . .

justingoblue

October 19th, 2011 at 5:15 PM ^

Borderline criminality is only going too far because there wasn't an injury. Had Gholston actually done what he hoped for and broken Denard's neck, there would be a strong push for charges to be filed, and it's not like the evidence isn't there to convict. Not to mention everybody and their mother would get hit with a lawsuit.

Section 1

October 19th, 2011 at 6:48 PM ^

  1. You will get angry;
  2. You won't learn anything, and;
  3. You'll feel dirty and cheated for having wasted your time.

If you just turn your radio dial to 90.9, you can be stimulated and educated, listening to Aaron Copeland (on now) Mozart, Boccherini, Stravinsky and Haydn.

It is your choice, and the rest of your life.

jackw8542

October 19th, 2011 at 6:13 PM ^

From everything I have heard, Al Golden is a pretty good guy, so it may not be fair to tar him with the brush of old Miami.  The comparison is between a coach who does believe in discipline (Golden) and one who talks about it (Dantonio). 

In the mathematical analyses of rivalry games, it was amazing to me that although the Michigan - MSU games did not have the most PF penalties, MSU has historically received 80% of the PFs called.  That says it all.

Wolvie3758

October 19th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^

For me its the double standard and hypocricy of Mark Dantonio..It reminds me of EXACTLY Jim Tressel..portray yourself as a saint all the while being the most CORRUPT program in the nation...Dantonio learned from the master

snoopblue

October 19th, 2011 at 4:55 PM ^

The 24 Hour news media does exist, there is no doubting that. What we can say, is that the media is terrible at making comparisons and connecting the dots. All that is done is reporting and after a while it's like, what's the point?

LSBlue

October 19th, 2011 at 5:23 PM ^

Why am I not surprised that Dantonio was proud of his team's play? It would actually be surprising if he came out and addressed this in a similar fashion that Al Golden has.

Red is Blue

October 19th, 2011 at 5:56 PM ^

From the desk of: Mark Hollis

To Mark Dantonio,

 

Hey, Bud

I just ran across this statement from the Miami (YTM) coach regarding a recent incident they had.  I thought it was a great starting point for the next public statement you have to make, but I made a few tweaks to better reflect our university.  Let me know what you think.  I think the reference to your "tragic hero" adds a nice touch.

 

"Micanor's Gholstons’s actions in the North Carolina Michigan game will not be tolerated disciplined,"

 "We expect our players to represent our program with class on and off the field, and when they do not, there are consequences purposely try to injure key players on the other team. Quite honestly I'm embarrassed proud and I just apologized bragged to Coach Withers Tressel and shared that sentiment.

 

 

Section 1

October 19th, 2011 at 5:27 PM ^

compared to that.

But we digress...

Let's all remember that Jonas Mouton also threw a punch. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPYueAc5XAE 

It was a retailiation, to be sure, for a ND lineman's late hit, in the back, while on the ground.  Mouton retaliated, with a quick, cheap-shot punch and ran off.  Looks bad.  And Rodriguez's defense was half-assed -- RR said that it was; 1) retailiation for a late hit; 2) 'not like the Jonas Mouton we all know and love' and 3) shit happens on the football field.

Rodriguez did not voluntarily suspend Mouton, the Conference did.  And the suspension process back then was a little different than now.  Back then, Delany just kind of made it all up on the spot.  It fucked us up that week insofar as we got notice of a suspension on the Thursday before a game.  No time to practice around it.

But actions being what they are, Rodriguez accepted the penalty.

Again, I am not thrilled about the media's current framing of the Gholston story.  Because right now, it seems to be just that; "The Gholston Story."

Gholston is getting suspended.  He is going down.  The only question is when, and for how many games. The media is three steps behind on that one.

The real story worth pressing is what about Marcus Rush, whose brutal personal foul succeeded in the clear intent to try to injure Denard Robinson?  To every writer now writing about suspensions and Gholston and MSU and cetera, be sure to call their attention to Marcus Rush.  The film on Rush really speaks for itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21qTQUXi8gc 

A Gholston suspension is completely inevitable.  The delay in taking action we see now is explainable only in terms of trying to game the system to get Gholston into the Wisconsin game.Gholston will be suspended.

The character test for the Big Ten Conference is the Marcus Rush suspension, which really ought to be easy.  A recognized personal foul; a brutal and unneccessary play; on a position player in a helpless position (see, e.g., roughing the kicker, roughing the passer, helmet-to-helmet contact on recievers and wrapped up ballcarriers, etc.); and, most of all, a game-ending injury to the victimized player.

SUSPEND MARCUS RUSH AND WILLIAM GHOLSTON NOW.

AMazinBlue

October 19th, 2011 at 6:28 PM ^

forced to.  It really is surprising how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  He and Hollis are acting just like  Smith and Gee.  They are being politicians and saying things that can't be refuted,  but also are insanely ignorant statements in light of the obvious and blatantly damming evidence.

I have come to believe that Dantonio is auditioning for the OSU job and trying to prove that his absolute hatred for Michigan will win him the job.

theintegral

October 19th, 2011 at 9:46 PM ^

If you watch the plays between the helmet twist (10:04) and the punch, you will see another late  dive into Denard (8:47), a  forearm to Lewan's face (8:05), and a possible late hit on Devin (6:03).  Gholston was not playing well, but was out of control. 

You should also notice the ferocity of the MSU defense.  Tough to match.

Humen

October 19th, 2011 at 10:36 PM ^

But there exists a serious problem in college football: it is an economically-sound decision to purposefully injure a key opponent player. One player may be suspended for a game, but the action could ensure victory by providing more than a ten point swing in many games. Imagine if someone cheap shotted Robert Griffin III at the end of a play, intending and succeeding at removing him from the game. Baylor would probably lose, and it really doesn't matter who they are playing. Many players have similar importance: Cousins, Worthy, Robinson, Martin, and Lewan to name a few. The NCAA needs to step up punishments for actions that possess the intent to injure and occur after the whistle to the extent that injuring an opponent is not an economically-sound decision.