Meyer a Rodriguez Redux?

Submitted by Blue Blue Blue on November 24th, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Here's an idea:

 

let's hire a very well regarded coach, who runs a system completely different from ours.

lets give up our power I system for the spread.

our new guy is an offensive guru, the defense will take care of itself

will the in-house power structure accomodate getting away from the style of play we are accustomed to?

 

Rodriguez then.

 

Meyer now. 

 

Tell me the difference.

Comments

Fuzzy Dunlop

November 24th, 2011 at 11:06 PM ^

Meyer has had undefeated seasons and won national championships in the SEC.

Rodriguez's very best seasons included losses to South Florida and Pittsburgh.

Their resumes are not quite as similar as you suggest.

fatbastard

November 24th, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^

Just stop with the cupboard bare already . . . . . The main difference is that Meyer is capable and willing to adapt to the players on the roster, and Miller will fit what he wants to do.  That being said, if anyone thinks that he's going to romp over whatever that division is called, they are simply wrong. 

FrankMurphy

November 24th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^

Meyer coached in the SEC, won two national championships, and coached a Heisman Trophy winner. He also had a perfect season at Utah before he went to Florida.

There is no comparison between Rich Rodriguez and Urban Meyer.

There is no comparison

chewieblue

November 24th, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^

The guy's won everywhere he's been.  That doesn't happen by mistake.  That hire is about as bad as it could be for us.  

With all that said, I'll take Brady and the boys any day.

mtzlblk

November 25th, 2011 at 10:06 PM ^

do you really think that with $650K and a multi-year contract that RR would have been hiring GERG?

Are you out of it enough to actually think that Rodriguez did a search and of all the candidates available and said, 'GERG is the guy I want running this defense'?

With no contract and a ~$250K budget, GERG is exactly what you are going to get every time.

Mattison, or someone like him, should have been made possible 2-3 years ago, as soon as Casteel didn't make the move. 

 

jmblue

November 25th, 2011 at 10:40 PM ^

With a $250K salary, GERG was one of the 20 highest-paid defensive coordinators in the country.  The idea that he was the only guy out there willing to accept that is crazy.  We were able to lure Scott Shafer away from Stanford one year earlier for less money than that. 

The way Shafer was treated - undermined by his own positional coaches and then forced out after one season - almost certainly affected our DC search more than the actual money involved.  (Incidentally, if your premise is correct - that no one better than GERG would accept a $250K salary - then RR was nuts to shove Shafer out the door in the first place.)

ATLWolverine

November 25th, 2011 at 12:42 AM ^

has been an SEC coach and has won multiple BCS national championships and is widely credited as having excellent personnel judgment, particularly with defensive coordinators (Greg Mattison, Charlie Strong). He also knows his next job very well, as he is originally from the same state.

The other coached in the worst BCS automatic-qualifier conference and had no experience coaching at a big-time school. Many of the things that led to his professional demise at his most recent job stemmed from being clueless about how to properly coach at a top-level program, i.e. manage politics, media, etc. Also, notable for flubbing 2 defensive hiring choices (shouldn't have fired Schafer, should never have hired GERG).

 

Rodriguez is a great offensive mind, but his professional credentials in 2007 don't begin to compare to Meyer's in 2011.

 

Meyer is not going to be doing much learning on the job at OSU, and his national reputation is such that he can probably have his pick of the talented coordinators in CFB.

I'm not scared of Meyer, but to pretend that he is not a worthy foe and a serious coup for OSU is self-delusion. The man can coach very well, and has an incredbile track record from Bowling Green to lifting crystal footballs (notice that "s") over his head while at Florida.

Here's to hoping we make him wish he had stayed in retirement!

AlwaysBlue

November 25th, 2011 at 1:29 AM ^

To compare Meyer to Rodriguez you'd have to look at Meyer's Florida record (his first big jump) and Rodriguez' at Michigan.  And of course there is no comparison.

griesecheeks

November 25th, 2011 at 2:35 AM ^

For one-

He has coached at OSU before.

Also, Luke Fickell Happened.

Also, Urban Meyer won 2 NC in a short span in the (most beloved) SEC.

Also, Braxton Miller would really work in his preferred offensive scheme.

 

 

That said, the health issues and the I quit, Wait, I didn't quit thing is super weird, and I have a hard time believing this is for realsies. All the sidenotes aside, there's no reason for there to be a backlash to his hiring.

 

mtzlblk

November 25th, 2011 at 8:16 PM ^

...even Ohio State would know better than to turn feral on their new coach with fangs bared and daggers out, just because he might change a few things about how the offense runs, nor would they permit others to do so. Then again, they already run a modern offense, so perhaps a non-issue. Apparently, for better or worse, the Athletic Department and the football program there actually have a common goal of success and winning games. At M it seems more like personal goals, like naming one's successor or  preserving outdated schemes, or even just having someone with the right accent as HC, would seem more important.  

OSU fans certainly wouldn't lend their support to a journalist/editor combo that use a local rag to perpetuate a jihad clearly seeking to slander the head coach with a baseless, exaggerated claims......said combo would be run out of town on a rail (even if they happened to be right, see Herbie's new address in Tennessee as evidence of that). 

Their 'fans' probably won't be laying in wait for him to make any sort of minor faux pas in regard to OSU and their tradition and thus hang on his every word ready to pounce as if he had just made a statement to the effect that the team philosophy will now be focused as much as on football as it is on turning the players into fine, upstanding young Satan worshippers that participate in the community through infant sacrifice and rampant drug use. 

Meyer will be provided more than $250K/no-contract budget for hiring key coordinators, especially if it is clear that one side of the ball is in dire straits.

In short, i think they will support him, so if he is given what he needs, he could very well do great things in the Big 10. We shall see. 

kofine05

November 25th, 2011 at 10:24 PM ^

There are some big differences.  Meyer has won national titles coming out of the "best" confrence in college football.  Lets be honest, the sec is a really good confrence none the less.  Meyer is what I would consider a god recruiter.  Rrod was good at recruiting but nothing like Meyer.  Im actually a bit worried how our recruiting is going to do once meyer sets foot at OSU especially considering that we have to share the big ten foot print with Nebraska as well.  I love brady hoke but the cache with his name isnt even in the same ball park as Meyer nationally, yet.  A few good seasons by hoke can shorten the difference.  I would say meyer is smart in knowing he doesnt know defence and will bring in a proven d coordinator to run his own system.  There are no guarantees but I think meyer is as good a bet to be successful as anyone at OSU.  Ive been wrong before, I thought RR would be great at UM.