McDowell visit reaction?

Submitted by Bo Knows on February 25th, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Did anyone see a McDowell visit reaction anywhere?  Did he even come to campus this past weekend?  Seeing that he was missing from the picture taken by the visitors had me concerned....

Comments

His Dudeness

February 25th, 2013 at 8:11 AM ^

On Rivals insider it says he had a fine weekend and is staying open.

He will visit OSU and ND (the other early favorite besides UofM) later in the summer and that will give a better sense of where he is at. It is very early in the process for him.

A positive note I read is that UofM was out in front of the Montgomery move with the prospects so it shouldn't be an issue with the guys he was recruiting (Hand, Mone, etc.).

 

 

Lac55

February 25th, 2013 at 8:14 AM ^

all his other UM visits felt rushed a bit, but he spent a lot of one on one time with Hoke and Mattison. Coach Heck was chatting him up good during the game also.

elm

February 25th, 2013 at 2:08 PM ^

Well, considering what went on below my comment, I want to make clear I wasn't intending to insult Magnus with my comment.  It was just a play on the juxtaposition between "hitting the F5 button" in Glove's comment and Magnus's comment on keeping his finger on the pulse.

 

I know once you have to explain a joke it's no longer funny, but I'd rather be unfunny than to be seen as knocking a guy when that wasn't my intention.

His Dudeness

February 25th, 2013 at 11:56 AM ^

I agree except for dealing with this particular commentor.

There is a negative to just accepting his opinions as fact and accepting him as some sort of assumed expert on recruiting. I understand what you are saying that these sort of comments make the board less enjoyable, but I think to post under an assumed platform of expertise on a subject is just as bad/wrong.

justingoblue

February 25th, 2013 at 12:02 PM ^

If you have a problem with an evaluation Magnus writes, then post what yours is, link to another that has a contrary view, or question him on specifics. Saying he's fat or has no life discredits the guy posting it, not the one he's replying to, in addition to making life a little harder on everyone reading it.

His Dudeness

February 25th, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^

It just seems rather odd to me that if a person got some news on a recruit say... recieveing money and posted it on the board it would be stripped down in an instant in order to be checked for legitimacy and factual evidence, but in the case of this poster it is on the user to research and dis-prove his often surprisingly negative, baseless and clearly amatuerish OPINION. Seems to be - if not hypocritical than at least very disengenuous.

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2013 at 12:46 PM ^

But you just said it, it's his opinion. There's a difference between me saying a player took money from a booster and me saying a kid shouldn't get an offer.

Look, lots of people give their opinion on recruits on this board, many with less experience than Magnus has. Why do you dislike him so much? Just because people listen to him?

Mr. Rager

February 25th, 2013 at 12:53 PM ^

If he was any good at scouting talent he would have moved on to bigger / brighter pastures by now (e.g., TomVH, TimS, SteveL, etc.).

Also, he was never upfront about "99% of my scouting is done by watching internet highlight videos".  Once that was sussed out, I lost a lot of respect for him.

Essentially, he is a man on the internet watching videos and posting blogs about Michigan.  All the while having a negative slant towards a majority of our targets.  I don't think there is another poster on this board that can say I "attack" them.

His Dudeness

February 25th, 2013 at 12:54 PM ^

I certainly can't dislike anyone I have never met.

I dislike the idea that he can report his analysis of a recruit which is assumed by the board -or at least not clearly pointed out to be anything but - expert analysis. That is clearly dangerous to the recruits themselves.  A lot of people see this board. A lot of people blindly take his amateur opinion as an expert one. It should be clearly pointed out that his opinion is not on par with that of expert analysis.

justingoblue

February 25th, 2013 at 1:03 PM ^

If you don't think his analysis is up to snuff, then post your opinion on what's wrong with his opinion.

There's really nothing more to say on the subject: you cannot post personal attacks against other users. Whether you agree that should be the rule doesn't matter, it's a board rule and it won't be happening again on the board.

Magnus

February 25th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^

I have never claimed to be an "expert."  If that's an inference people make, then that's on them.  I have made it very clear on my blog that I am a high school coach.  Clearly, I can't/don't follow kids around the country to the various camps and go watch them play on Friday nights, because I coach on Friday nights.

And while I won't claim to be an expert, I will say that many of the recruiting "analysts" out there don't have much football experience.  You may (or may not) assume that everyone who works at Rivals or Scout or wherever has a background in football, but they don't.

His Dudeness

February 25th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^

I find it hard to believe most high school football recruiting analysts don't have a background in football, but I understand some might not. It's the accountability of being a professional that makes me trust their opinion. If they suck and continually whiff on their analysis of recruits their access and soap box are removed whereas with you the former was never an issue and the latter is what will seemingly never be called into question.

Magnus

February 25th, 2013 at 1:51 PM ^

"I find it hard to believe most high school football recruiting analysts don't have a background in football, but I understand some might not."

I'm not sure whose football opinions you trust in regard to recruiting.  But you might want to make a mental list and then do a little bit of research.  I think you'll be surprised.

Trent Dilfer gets bashed quite a bit for how he ranks recruits (and I don't really pay attention to him, so whatever), but he's one of the most accomplished football guys out there who pays attention.  The guy from ESPN (I'm blanking on his name, but he played QB at Georgia Tech) is another one.  Meanwhile, there are numerous guys at Rivals and Scout who are simply journalists (for lack of a better term) who are interested in football.  I'm not sure how much of a football background TomVH, Ace, and Brian have, although I still like the product they put out there.

B1G_Fan

February 25th, 2013 at 12:24 PM ^

Considering that most of Magnus's post on here where he is giving his opinion on something are usually negative themselves. I don't see why he would exspect anything other that what he receivers from Rager.

 If you listen to him We have been recruiting talentless hacks and have little to no shot at most of the 5 star guys we offer. I'm just saying, sometimes it's true but, man this is a Michigan fan blog. keep all that negative crap on TTB

Magnus

February 25th, 2013 at 1:01 PM ^

" If you listen to him We have been recruiting talentless hacks and have little to no shot at most of the 5 star guys we offer. I'm just saying, sometimes it's true but, man this is a Michigan fan blog."

You're exaggerating about the "talentless hacks" part.  I was much less a fan of the guys Rodriguez recruited, and the NFL Draft and Michigan's win totals for most of the recent years suggest that a lot of those guys weren't Michigan-caliber recruits.  And we don't have a shot at most 5-stars.  I don't really care whether it's a Michigan fan blog - the truth is the truth.  I'm not going to say that every kid is a future Hall of Famer and that we're going to get every 5-star.  What's the point of discussing anything if that's all anyone says?

B1G_Fan

February 25th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^

  You bashed most of the class of 2013 if not everyone of them at one point.  People would like to hear optimistic opinions not constant bashing of players coming to Michigan.

 We have as much of a shot at most of the 5 star recruits as anyone else.

 Your truth is your opinion. Michael Cox was never a game breaker

WolvinLA2

February 25th, 2013 at 1:34 PM ^

Although I agree that Magnus can go overboard sometimes, not everyone wants an optimistic opinion of our recruits I sure don't. I don't need someone to tell me how awesome we'll be because all of our recruits are just the greatest.

The funny thing is that everyone got so upset about Magnus' evaluation of LTT after he committed, but then every camp report after that said close to the same things. And LTT tweeted that he would prove Magnus wrong, which is the right attitude.

Like it or hate it, Magnus points out strengths and weaknesses of our recruits as he sees them, and he watches a lot of high school football. It's not gospel, just another guy's opinion.

Magnus

February 25th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^

Hah.  If by "bashed" you mean I commented on things they need to work on, then yeah, I'm guilty.  I had the audacity to say that Dawson isn't an elite prospect (in my opinion) and that Logan Tuley-Tillman looked like he never had any quality coaching (which numerous other analysts have more or less echoed in the months since he committed).

I also never claimed that Cox was a gamebreaker.  I said he deserved a shot to be the starting RB or at least get more carries.  Vincent Smith just finished his career as Michigan's third-string running back after being surpassed by Toussaint and Rawls.  Maybe, just maybe, I was onto something back in 2010...

Magnus

February 25th, 2013 at 11:47 AM ^

A large number of your comments are taking shots at me, so that seems a bit hypocritical.

As for your first point, no bookmarking is necessary. I simply clicked on Mr. Rager's name and scrolled down a few comments.  It's a pretty simple process, maybe even easier than it was for you to respond to my comment.

Mr. Rager

February 25th, 2013 at 12:47 PM ^

Whatever you need to help yourself sleep at night.  

One of us went to UofM, graduated, and did something constructive with his life.  The other "coaches football", runs a blog based on review of internet videos, and has a white van with "FrEE CaNDY" written in red on the side of it.  

Just because you have the support of most of the lemmings on this board does not mean you get to win.  In fact, you lose by a rather large margin.  

Mr. Rager

February 25th, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^

Yeah, the 1 hour a day he spends coaching kids is very constructive.  Have you ever been to his site?  Guy posts more blog entries per day than Brian.  And Brian has a staff helping him, and it's his only job.  How can the guy seriously coach football?  Has no one else ever thought of this?  I can't believe the logic of this board sometimes.  Everyone is either too gullible, too young / innocent, or both.  Get your heads out of your ass.