McCoy, Tebow or Ingram???

Submitted by Raback Omaba on December 6th, 2009 at 12:55 AM

You sign one of these three out of high school - And they turn into the same player they were in their real life careers -

Who would you liked to have signed if you were our coach (Michigan) at the time?

My votes are as follows:

1. Tebow - I get annoyed with teh Tebow love fest just as much as anyone else, but you gotta admit - the kid has incredible leadership skills and his skill set on the field is incredible. Field General, Hard Runner, Scrambling QB and passer? he is a great player.

2. Ingram - Runs. Hard. As. Hell. I'm sure glad he ain't in East Lansing, that's for sure

3. Colt McCoy - His numbers speak for themselves, but I'll be honest - Every time I've watched him play, I've been unimpressed - but they always win and he always has good numbers - What's wrong? I guess I just dont think he's all that.

Care to chime in?

Comments

AMazinBlue

December 6th, 2009 at 1:02 AM ^

Having Suh would mean our D was better for the last three years.

Having Spiller means we would have had a true breakaway threat for RR's O.

Gerhart is Brandon Minor without the injuries.

Northern Fan

December 6th, 2009 at 3:22 AM ^

To build a team around an individual player it has to be Tebow! I don't like Florida and don't like the SEC. I would have to say that he will go down as one of the greatest players in NCAA football history. Almost 3 national titles, he had a chance at 3 heisman trophy's (not so much this year with his numbers) and almost 3 SEC titles. He is a great leader, and that's what you need with 18-22 year old players. He is a model citizen, and a perfect student athlete (if you were looking for one).

1. Tebow
2. Spiller (SPEED)...he was about 1 day from signing with Florida the same year Tebow came out. Wow what a team!
3. Gerhart is a stud!
4. Suh
5. BG
***great defensive front
6. Ingram (flint...we missed out!) I know Saban ties.
7. McCoy

TrppWlbrnID

December 6th, 2009 at 1:05 AM ^

ingram
mccoy
tebow

these are all very good players, it really just comes down to me being an excellent recruiter at michigan my first year and having tons of depth at every position and running a pro-style offense.

jtmc33

December 6th, 2009 at 12:03 PM ^

Spiller and Stanford's nameless RB are great examples of how the Heisman goes to the best player on the best team... McCoy, Ingram are 13-0 and Tebow is 12-1 with his only loss to Bama.

Spiller has a pass for a TB, kick and punt return for tds, rushing tds and receiving tds. That is unreal.

Spiller would be my #1... and he may not even end up in the top 5.

Big Shot

December 6th, 2009 at 1:10 AM ^

IMO

1. McCoy
2. Tebow
3. Ingram

I like McCoy over Tebow because I think he's better passer and he's also faster. Tebow is a great player, but I'd like to see McCoy run RRod's scheme over Tebow.

I put Tebow at #2 over Ingram because I'll take a solid QB over a solid RB any day. Plus, with Tebow on your team, you don't have to worry about having a solid short-yardage back because he's big enough to keep it himself in short-yardage situations.

Big Shot

December 6th, 2009 at 2:55 AM ^

I watched all 3 of them today. If I was making a list based on today's performance, it would go 1) Ingram, 2) Tebow, then 3) McCoy.

I live in SEC country now, so I've seen most of Florida & Bama's games this year. I've also seen quite a few Texas games. Based on what I've seen this year, I'd love to have any of the 3. All 3 are great football players. My rationale for putting Ingram at the bottom of the list is that I'd rather have a solid QB instead of a solid HB. McCoy vs. Tebow is close, but I'd give McCoy the nod because I like his style better.

formerlyanonymous

December 6th, 2009 at 10:04 AM ^

I agree with your list. McCoy's overall career is just as good, if not better than any of those three. Sure, Tebow had a ridiculous year, maybe two. McCoy has had three, plus a freshman year that was pretty solid as well. He was the entire Texas offense during stretches of his career due to Texas never settling on a runningback.

And the point made about him being a better fit for a RR offense of Tebow is very true. Tebow's a big quarterback that can get a lot of short range (

formerlyanonymous

December 6th, 2009 at 10:18 AM ^

I'm not sure Tebow guarantees we would win a MNC with him. Colt was one tackle of Crabtree (or the pick Gideon should have caught earlier in the drive) by his defense from being provided his first shot at it last year. Instead they lose, an OU team McCoy beat goes to the Big12 Championship, then, on to the MNC.

He's got his chance to win one in a few weeks now. So that may be a moot point by February.

Northern Fan

December 6th, 2009 at 3:36 AM ^

Hard to pick but you have to go with Tebow. He changes the game! What other quarterback can do that? He changed the spread offense for Florida, which in return gave them more options. McCoy may be faster but we all know that he can't take the hits like Tebow can. All coaches highlight the fact that he is so hard to tackle at 6'4 and almost 245 ilbs. One reason that Alabama was successful all game long was because McClain was watching his every move (McClain is the same size as Tebow and faster). Most teams don't have that at the LB position. Most teams may be aware of McCoy's feet but they love the opportunity to hit him when they get a chance. When you know where a ball is going on 3rd and 4 and you still can't stop it, that is hard to come by. He is great at making the pitch at the right time and he is methotical, and knows almost every situation before it even happens.

Without a doubt McCoy is a better passer (minus today...hahaha), with Tebow's mechanics he has a long way to go before he is polished. Which may never happen.

Football is a game that comes down to three things:

1. Defense
2. Running the ball
3. Moving the chains
***passing is not up there, and won't be for a long time. Ask Texas Tech fans?!

Look at the statistics of today's game between Alabama and UF.
You will see that Florida ran the ball 15-20 times (4 of which were with their running backs). Alabama ran the ball 51 times, that killed Florida today. Run the ball!!!

Dark Blue

December 6th, 2009 at 1:10 AM ^

1)Tebow
2)McCoy
3)Ingram

No question with Tebow, the kid is a winner. And I would pick McCoy over Ingram because to me(and perhaps I am biased in saying this because of Michigan's historical domination in football),recruiting a passing game is a little bit more important then recruiting a running game.

MWW6T7

December 6th, 2009 at 1:12 AM ^

I'll take Tacopants over any of them. Ha makes all the catches no one else can all the time.

Seriously though, that is a hard choice. There are so many others than the 3 you listed but I guess to stick to the op I would say McCoy. Ingram is a great rb but with McCoy you get one of the most accurate passers who can hurt you with his legs as well but looks for the pass first. Tebow is a great leader but I just like McCoy more. Might not be the most popular choice of the two but I just think McCoy is a better qb and I also think it will show in the years to come as well.

WMUgoblue

December 6th, 2009 at 1:30 AM ^

I'd take Gerhart, love his style of running. Although I believe it will be Ingram, his performance today will give his stock a steep rise while the other contenders had off days.

Jeffro

December 6th, 2009 at 1:36 AM ^

I'd have to go with Tebow because of the position he plays. If Lloyd would have signed him, he would have fit beautifully into our current system. Second choice would be either Ingram or the dynamic Spiller. Would have been nice to have any of the young men listed on this post.

the_big_house 500th

December 6th, 2009 at 2:04 AM ^

Each of these three has had dynamic years with their schools but I would imagine even though Tebow lost the SEC championship and second bid in the National Championship but I think he has the best chance. Although Ingram now I think would be the leading candidate.

VictorsValiant09

December 6th, 2009 at 2:47 AM ^

I don't care, as long as Tebow doesn't win the Heisman.

I have Florida fans who ask me why I dislike him, and after I explain why, when concluding with his pompous lifestyle peddling, I tell them it's mostly because the ESPN lovefest takes attention away from true Heisman candidates, like Gerhart.

Jamal Crawford

December 6th, 2009 at 3:10 AM ^

well...if i'm lloyd...as he was our coach then...

1) ive got arguably a better qb for my system in the wings in mallet. so no tebow. no mccoy.

2) ive got a rb in minor that is almost as good as ingram...but injury prone...so INGRAM!

Magnus

December 6th, 2009 at 7:38 AM ^

There's no choice here but Tebow. He's the only one of the three to win a Heisman or a national championship, and he's been labeled one of the greatest college players in NCAA history.

I don't even need to profile the other two.

Magnus

December 6th, 2009 at 7:58 AM ^

I don't know... Charles Woodson allowed David Boston to score a TD. For my money, Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in NFL history, and he's thrown a ton of interceptions in his career.

Great players don't have to be perfect. And if I recall correctly, Arenas was voted an All-American this year, so he's no slouch.

the_white_tiger

December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 PM ^

Great players aren't always perfect, but his media "greatest player of all time" hype is ridiculous. He easily could have floated it over a very short (altough admittedly very good) corner and his team would be back in the game. Great players make great plays at crictical times. Look at Suh against Texas. Yeah they lost, but that was due to the Michigan-2008 offense. Nebraska had the best defensive performance I've seen all year, and Suh has to have a lot of credit for beating double-teams and commanding them so his teammates could pressure McCoy. Suh stepped up. Tebow didn't.

MI Expat NY

December 6th, 2009 at 11:20 AM ^

The first problem with your statement, is that it ignores how absolutely stacked Florida has been for the last four years. Tebow was an important cog of those teams, but for my money, Percy Harvin and a solid defense were always the most important parts.

The second problem is that one of the other two stand a very good chance of matching that profile (especially if it is Ingram who wins the heisman). If you look at career records, McCoy is 45-7, Tebow is 46-7, and Ingram is 25-2. It's clear that the only reason Tebow is considered to have had a greater career is that Florida has been luckier in their ability to lose and still get to the BCSCG.

Magnus

December 6th, 2009 at 12:52 PM ^

Texas has had plenty of talent, too.

Tebow may have been luckier in losing and getting to the championship game, but his teams have WON the national championship games, too.

The question is, Whose career would you take? Tebow has won 2 national championships and 1 Heisman; the other two have combined for 0 in each category, and even if one has a great December/January, then he won't even match Tebow.

MI Expat NY

December 6th, 2009 at 2:33 PM ^

No doubt Texas has been talented. My point is that football is a team game and choosing one players ability to be on a team that won two BCS championship games while producing basically the same record as other players seems pointless (especially considering one of those championships came when Tebow was a support player, essentially a change of pace back).

Additionally, ou misstated the question. It's not whose career would you rather have, it was who would you rather have on Michigan. Meaning, you get just one of them, not their entire team. Tebow has had a great career, but so has McCoy, and Ingram has been phenomenal in his short career so far. Basing who would be better at Michigan on winning BCSCG or the heisman when all three players have or will have been exceedingly close to achieving the same thing is dumb.

Magnus

December 6th, 2009 at 4:32 PM ^

The question can be interpreted in different ways.

It says if the player turned out to have the same career, which would you want at Michigan?

Tebow has had the best career, so I'd take him; and by that I mean I'll take all the touchdowns and the Heisman and the two national championships.

If you're just taking the player himself and adding him to the team, and thus leaving the stats up to the Gods of Hypotheticals, then it's more debatable.

jmblue

December 7th, 2009 at 4:14 PM ^

There's no choice here but Tebow. He's the only one of the three to win a Heisman or a national championship, and he's been labeled one of the greatest college players in NCAA history.

Hold on. Colt McCoy finished second in the Heisman race last season, and his team finished with the same record as Florida - they just happened not to get picked for the title game thanks to the weirdness that is the BCS system. (He also might well win both this season.) As for being "labeled" one of the best, that's entirely subjective. It's a closer call than you're making it out to be.

bronxblue

December 6th, 2009 at 9:23 AM ^

From those three, I'd take Ingram followed by Tebow and then Colt. Suh has been one of the more dominant defensive players in recent memory, and Gerhart has been a great story. Ingram has been consistently excellent all year, while Tebow has been rather average so far. He cannot throw the ball consistently to save his life, and just because other SEC teams couldn't/didn't try to put him in those situations shouldn't mitigate that weakness. I had the same problem with Eric Crouch when he won the Heisman a couple of years ago - when a good defense can consistently shut you down, it makes me wonder if you are the best player in the country. The same goes to McCoy in that respect.

Magnus

December 6th, 2009 at 9:57 AM ^

"Tebow has been rather average so far."

This is perhaps the dumbest statement I have read on this board, and that's saying a lot when there are people like McFarlin and k06em01 around.

If you say Tebow has been average, your credibility goes straight out the window.

bronxblue

December 7th, 2009 at 10:41 AM ^

Compared to how he played the last few years, I think Tebow is playing at a lower level than he was the past few years. Maybe "average" is a bad term, but he certainly has not played like one of the best players in college.

His YPA is nearly a yard less than the past two years, he has thrown for less TDs and while his rushing stats are up a bit from last year, about 1/3 of the yards came against Florida International, Kentucky, and FSU. He has looked quite mortal against good defenses, and still can't throw the ball consistently to save his life. Maybe a bit of his future life as a backup TE in the NFL is clouding my judgment, but I have just not been that impressed. Two years ago when he was leading a mediocre Florida team to 8 wins, or even last year to a national championship, he looked like one of the best players in the country. This year, that defense has won Florida far more games than Tebow has. I'm not even sure he is the best QB in the SEC - Mallet has been quite good at Arkansas, and most of Tebow's effectiveness has been as a runner, not a passer. I think Tebow is one of the best college players in recent memory and one of its greatest winners, but this year he has failed to impress me the number of times I have seen him.

letsgoblue213

December 6th, 2009 at 10:55 AM ^

Tebow
McCoy
Ingram

I would have Tebow #1 for his great leadership and success in a run-based spread offense. I would probably still have McCoy at #2 because of how many games he won. I know he had good teammates around him but any QB who breaks the record for wins as a starter by several wins is clearly a great player and leader. I would have Ingram at #3 as of now, but he still has a year or two to surpass the other two players.

Magnus

December 7th, 2009 at 11:11 AM ^

The question was about Tebow's CAREER, not the 2009 season. That's why the "average" thing doesn't make sense.

Also, this year he has accounted for 31 TDs, I believe, which is pretty good.

I don't really understand your point about the "1/3 of his yards came against 3 teams." That's not that noteworthy - 3 teams constitute about 1/4 of the schedule. You could probably pick out 3 random games from just about any player and say "He got 1/3 of his yards against teams X, Y, and Z."

bronxblue

December 7th, 2009 at 12:41 PM ^

I thought the original question was about the Heisman/best player for this year. I guess I misread the original statement, so I can see why my response looks dumb. To be fair, Ingram is only in his second year, so we have no idea how he'll turn out going forward.

I read the question as more about how each of the players looked this year. McCoy had a better year last season, and arguably so did Tebow. Based on this year alone, Ingram carried Alabama to the NC title game, and McCoy played one of his worst games when it mattered most and nearly blew Texas's chance to join Alabama. While a great deal of credit should go to Alabama's defense, but Tebow didn't play particularly well in that game.

My point with the rushing stats is that sometimes numbers are skewed because of a couple of big runs/games against weaker opponents. For example, Carlos Brown had 480 yards this year, but more than half came against EMU and Indiana, and most of those yards came on a couple of long runs. You see 5.9 ypc and think he must have been a big-yardage back, but outside of those few long runs he was closer to a 4 ypc back. Still not bad, but not nearly as impressive. Listen, I really like Tebow as a player and do not feel that the media fellating he receives should be held against him. That said, this year he was not one of the best college players.

I also wonder a little bit if he stepped into a great situation at Florida - dominant defense, athletes everywhere, coach who knows how to use him, etc. You pick Tebow, you are picking a particular system and am limited in what you can do. With a stud RB like Ingram, you can run virtually any system you want and be confident that he'll still put up yards and be a focal point of your attack.

stankoniaks

December 7th, 2009 at 5:29 PM ^

Tebow, McCoy, then Ingram. I'd always take the game changer at QB. For all his nauseating overexposure, Tebow has had a steller career, though I'm not convinced that if you put a Jake Locker into that Florida offense for the last 4 years, that he doesn't have the same success Tebow does.