MBB Hello: Austin Hatch(2013) and Mark Donnal(2013)

Submitted by MGoChippewa on June 15th, 2011 at 2:27 PM

According to today's UMHoops twitter feed, 2013 SG Austin Hatch has committed to play his college basketball at the University of Michigan.  UMHoops also provides a very brief bio of Hatch on their website.  Rivals lists Hatch as a 3-star player, but as we have seen with previous Beilein recruits, that may not mean much.  I'm sure UMHoops will have a full commitment post up later today, so check their site for an update.

EDIT

For now, this has only been reported by fellow Michigan recruit Monte Morris per Twitter.  UMHoops trying to confirm.  Sorry for jumping the gun.

DOUBLE EDIT

It has been confirmed by UMHoops that Austin Hatch is the first commitment for John Beilein's 2013 class. 

TRIPLE EDIT

UMHoops also reporting, as suggested in the comments below by wlubd, that Michigan received a commitment from 2013 PF Mark Donnal.  UMHoops provides their scouting report of him here.

Comments

translator82

June 15th, 2011 at 3:01 PM ^

We are trying to confirm Hatch's commitment, as tweeted by Monte Morris, stay tuned. by Dylan Burkhardt at 2:25 PM

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by MGoChippewa

SECOND EDIT: Michigan Hoops taking a page out of football's playbook for recruiting in pairs.

Raoul

June 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^

The class of 2013 is sure to be larger than just two in the end.

If the first two in that class are Hatch and Donnal, that would be an interesting turn of events, given how many top-flight point guards from that class have shown interest in Michigan--and that Beilein has been pursuing.

Tater

June 15th, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^

It's really not cool to speculate which specific players are going to become "attrition."  If someone is giving his all for the team, and really wants to be here, it would suck to either read or hear from someone that a poster on a blog is projecting that player to be told he is no longer welcome.  

Just my .02.

Raoul

June 15th, 2011 at 3:03 PM ^

Perhaps turn of events is the wrong phrase, but Sam Webb has been raving about the point guards in the 2013 class for so long that I expected one of the first commitments from that class to be a point guard--especially because Michigan needs one in that class and because of the limited number of scholarships available.

Raoul

June 15th, 2011 at 3:16 PM ^

From what I've heard, Beilein likes to sign a point guard every other class. So: 2009: Darius Morris; 2011: Burke; 2013: Monte Morris or someone else.

You can't count on the players being there for four years--or even three--and it's best to not have to start freshmen point guards.

I'll be shocked if there's no point guard in the 2013 class.

M-Wolverine

June 15th, 2011 at 6:03 PM ^

Who thought we need a point guard this year with Darius? You never know, and don't want to be caught with out one. But your point is spot on...if you have incredible depth of big time talent at the most important position in your backyard, and don't get any of them (when you could be possibly landing Mr. Basketball material) it's definitely a missed opportunity.

Michigan4Life

June 15th, 2011 at 6:22 PM ^

with 4 quality prospects who has interest in Michigan.  Monte Morris, Demetrius Jackson, Derrick Walton and Jalen James.  JB could have his picking of one of the four PG above that he'll probably take the first one who commits though Monte Morris is most likely the #1 target based on his camp performance.

It seems like THJ will go to a similar route as Morris. Stay for 3 years then bolt for NBA. As long as THJ get better and he should, there's no reason for me to think that he'll stay for soph/jr year.  That will free up a scholarship for '12 wing or '13 PG.  There is a possibility that Blake McLimans won't get his 5th year renewed that could also free up scholarship for '13 PG.

Naked Bootlegger

June 15th, 2011 at 2:38 PM ^

They have a nice live feed of June 15 recruiting coverage at UMHoops.   Kind of a football NSD vibe going on right now, only we're talking about 2013 hoops recruits!   Monte Morris seems excited about Hatch...future teammates, perhaps?  I'll take another rangy guard with a last name of "Morris".    (And, no, I'm not talking abot K'len Morris).

Mr Mackey

June 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^

I've never followed Basketball recruiting, but if we have two open spots, and Donnal and Hatch just commited, are we already done with 2013 recruiting..? What about Morris?

Hlprn302

June 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM ^

And I would be amazed if THJ is here after next year.  He's got NBA written all over him. If he is, I'm not worried about available scholarships and just thrilled he stuck around for three years. We'll have at least four schollies for 2013

MGoChippewa

June 15th, 2011 at 3:50 PM ^

Yeah, I got what you meant.  I was just saying that a quadruple commitment isn't happening.  I am starting to think that by the time I'm done with my beer league softball game tonight, Monte Morris will be a part of the class.  Got a good feeling, even if it is just a feeling.

Raoul

June 15th, 2011 at 3:44 PM ^

I think Beilein does just fine making his own evaluations of players, rather than fixating on the "big stars" as most rankings-obsessed fans do. Full rankings for the class of 2013 aren't even out yet, so have all the "big stars" even been identified?

lensch2

June 15th, 2011 at 3:50 PM ^

Not sure I understand your comparison, ignoring the obligatory white guy who can shoot comparisons.  The current guys:
  • Vogrich is a 6-4 SG shooter
  • Smotz is a 6-9 faceup PF, not strong enough to beat out a 6-4 SG for the starting PF spot

The new guys, HS Sophomores that are likely still growing:

  • Hatch is a 6-6 SG/SF shooter active on the boards
  • Donnal is a 6-9 PF who can faceup but actually plays on the block

So yeah, if by "replacement" you mean upgrade... then I agree completely.

pasadenablue

June 15th, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^

You're making the mistake of trying to compare present-day Vog/Smot with future Hatch/Donnal.  I find it hard to believe that as incoming freshmen, those guys will be able contribute more than what a senior Vogrich and a junior Smotrycz would have put in the previous year.

There's a lot to be decided in the next two years, but if you look at it as an issue of bodies and roles, that's kinda how it shakes out.  We're getting a lights-out shooter who has to develop the rest of his game, and a tall, under-weight power forward who can shoot the ball.  Don't assume that Donnal's game will translate directly over to the Big Ten.  He'll need to put on a LOT of beef in order bang with the big boys.  And while I'm confident he'll get there, I don't think he'll arrive in Ann Arbor in that kind of shape.  It'll take a year or two (like we're seeing with Smot/McLimans/Morgan) to get him to that level physically.

 

And the fact that Novak is getting time at the 4 shouldn't be an indictment on Smotrycz, but rather epic kudos for Novak.

 

Also, regarding my comment about big stars - we need a few players like that on the roster who can create for themselves.  I'm not saying Coach B should just go and run after 5-stars exclusively, but we need one or two of those highly talented, highly athletic guys in each class, because you need those kinds of players when tournament time comes around.  It just so happens that those guys often tend to be ranked highly by recruiting services.

Michigan4Life

June 15th, 2011 at 6:24 PM ^

is only going to be a JR next school year so he has time to get bigger and stronger.  I would expect him to bulk up to 210-220 by SR year.  Once he graduate, I would think that he'll be about 230-240 when all is said and done.  That's a realistic bulk unless he continues to grow an inch or two.

lensch2

June 16th, 2011 at 10:28 AM ^

On your point about comparing a present day collegian to a current high schooler's projection as a collegian, I'm pretty sure I describe the high school guy's current games.  While I do expect both to be bigger by the time they get to campus, that was not central to my point.  Making the mistake of projecting though...

Honestly, Smotz is a better shooter than Donnal could ever hope to be.  My 'expectation' is that Donnal is much more likely to be 15 foot and in player that will probably struggle to handle larger players down low and athletic players on the drive.  I believe his strengths will be as a lane clogging rebounder and high post passer.

As for Vogrich/Hatch, I guess I struggle to see the replacement factor there, as Hatch is already taller and heavier than Vogrich.  He is much more likely to be a SF that can shoot the rock and rebound the ball, than a 'gritty' SG who after 2 years is still just a shooter.

In all though, I understand and don't disagree with much of your point.  Just playing a little Devil's advocate.

While I would love to get a more athletic version of either recruit, I'd venture a guess that Michigan isn't considered by many of the top athletes because they are not a run and gun/isolation team (a la Kentucky/Memphis/UNC) and are more of a system team (a la Duke).  You never see the best athlete go to Duke, you see the most skilled guy go there.  As UM Hoops continue to improve, I believe we will begin to compete for the Duke caliber guy, just not the Memphis caliber guy.  I could see an Austin Rivers type player at UM, not a Brandon Knight/Derrick Rose type player.  Just my perspective.

UMfan21

June 15th, 2011 at 3:18 PM ^

Geeze, slow down Beilein.  Only 12 hours after the official start of recruiting period and you have filled up your roster?!