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Submitted by YoungGeezy on

I think we all were a little worried early on with some truly dissapointing basketball. When you pair that with an abysmal last season and losing out on some big name recruits, it would be easy to express concern over the direction of the program. 

But after the recent blowout wins (albeit against the most garbage of teams) and solid play overall from out most important contributers, I think we should start feeling good about this team. We may not be elite this season, but we are definitley a tournament team that has really turned things around in a short period of time as we assemble a solid resume.

Quality Wins:

  • Texas (8-3 with notable victories over now #7 UNC, and @Stanford)
  • @NCST (9-3 victory over potential #1 pick Ben Simmons and LSU)

Blowout Wins:

  • YSU 59 pt win
  • UNCC 55 pt win
  • DSU 47 pt win

Quality Losses:

  • #6 Xavier (12-0)
  • #18 SMU (11-0)
  • UConn (Currently 8-3 with losses to 9-3 SYR, 10-3 Gonzaga, and #4 Maryland)

Key Performers:

  • Caris Levert 17.3 pt, 5.4 rb, 4.8 a, 1.2 st, FG% .503
  • Duncan Robinson 12.5 pt, FG% .574, 3PT% .595
  • Derrick Walton 10.4pt, 4.7rb, 4.3a, 1.8st, FG% .485, 3PT% .528

Blau

December 24th, 2015 at 11:15 AM ^

Anything more than 20+ is a blowout IMO. Best case scenario, we remove the word "quality" and just view it as a loss. 

But overall, I agree the team is looking better, albeit against mostly inferior competition. They look ready for what should be an somehwat easier B1G slate than in past years.

MGoBender

December 24th, 2015 at 2:11 PM ^

This is absolutely wrong.  A loss to someone like Bryant will look much, much worse than a loss by any number of points to a top-20 team.

You really think the committee will care if Michigan lost by 24 or 14 to SMU in November?!

You are right that 10-8 should get us in, though.

WolvinLA2

December 24th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

That might not be the term that's used, but of course the committee will look at how good the teams are who beat you. We can all agree it looks better to lose to the #6 team in the country than the #66. So yes, I think it makes sense to track how well the teams who beat us are doing.

MGoGrendel

December 24th, 2015 at 11:22 AM ^

are against JV teams.  Not quality wins, but great practice time for our varsity.  I don't see us getting to 18 wins, so it's NIT for us this year.  Maybe we can win it.

 

We are at 10 wins.  Let's see the football team match that next week!!  Go Blue!

lazyfoot10

December 24th, 2015 at 11:50 AM ^

Only 1 of those is on the road (@ Minnesota). Penn State is home and neutral court game. 

@Ilinois, and Indiana, Northwestern, and Iowa at home are very winnable games. Could be favored in all of them.

@Ohio State and @Wisconsin can be done. They've lost to teams not nearly as good as Michigan on those courts. 

 

WindyCityBlue

December 24th, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^

Penn State at MSG is still a road game.  Also, keep in mind we were favored in a couple of those blowout loses, so being favored in a game doesn't mean much this year. 

At best, we have middle of the road big-ten talent (Lavert, and maybe Walton, being the only exceptions).  From your list above, with the exception of NW and Penn State, we don't have the talent to keep up.  No doubt we could get hot and win some of these games, but its probably a stretch to think it will be consistent.

Last year, we were completely shut out from post season honors.  I think we were the only team to which that happened, and that's a rarity.  I know we had some significant injuries last year, but I think that is good indication of how we are this year.

rob f

December 24th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^

speaks volumes. I have plenty of reason to believe that this team will make us proud over the course of the season! MBB BANG!!! BEILEIN BANG!!!

SharkyRVA

December 24th, 2015 at 11:04 AM ^

I don't think we can call this a tourney team yet.  We have blown out the high schools we have played and have gotten blown out by the upper end teams.  Unless we get better rebounding and defense this team will struggle to get the 10 or so wins they need in the B1G to get to the tourney. 

That being said...  I will have fun watching them get better all year long. 

BigBlue02

December 24th, 2015 at 11:06 AM ^

Get ready for some really dumb comments about Beilein and recruiting. I predict someone will comment on how Beilein doesn't use his bigs traditionally and then in the next sentence bitch about how we have no quality ones and his big man recruiting is shit, not realizing the contradiction they just made. Then someone will point out all our bigs haven't made it to their junior year and other people will completely ignore that big men take a while to develop. Then, my favorite, people will bitch about DJ Wilson, who has played all of 13 games total in college. It will be glorious

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 12:30 PM ^

How is that a contradiction?  In fact, Beilein contradicts his own style with his big man recruiting.  He recruits post players like Doyle (and Davis next year) when he never runs a post up offense.  He should be recruiting athletic big men who can run the pick and roll and grab offensive rebounds, since that's the only offense a big man needs to be able to perform in Beilein's system.

BigBlue02

December 24th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^

Athletic like DJ Wikson? Or are we discounting him because he is a redshirt freshman? All of his big men do just fine when they are older and seasoned. Beilein has started a true freshman at center half of last year and a couple times this year out of necessity, not because they are amazing talent. Unless they are sure fire NBA talent, no coach likes starting freshmen or sophomores at the 5 none. I am willing to bet Doyle, Wagner, and Wilson will be better than Morgan and Horford before they leave here. Doyle already runs the pick and roll as good as Morgan did as a sophomore. Also, Morgan and Horford weren't athletic or offensive rebound specialists and they were excellent in Beilein's system.

MichiganMan14

December 24th, 2015 at 1:07 PM ^

Doesn't matter if he can jump out the gym apparently.....and this again is the problem. Instead of investing the minutes into our natural athletes....we put in lumbering bigs....or "Stretch 4s". You can defend it all day but the kids see it. Recruits aren't dumb and we're foolish to think that these things don't negatively effect our recruiting efforts. They do. Recruit athletic bigs....and play them.

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^

I think you're being liberal with the term excellent there.  McGary is the only big that I would consider excellent.  Morgan and Horford, even though they were solid, were nothing more than the 5th option for our offense.  McGary, come tournament time, was our 2nd option, and he was an elite recruit coming in (yes, the 1 time Beilein managed to land an elite big man recruit).  Wilson and Wagner have potential and could get to that level, but as of right now we haven't seen much from them.  That's understandable for Wagner as he is a true freshman who is learning a completely new system and is adjusting to life in a different country.  Less understandable for Wilson who, in the short amount of time that he has been healthy the past year and half, hasn't done a whole lot on the court.

BigBlue02

December 24th, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^

Now comes the contradiction. Yay! You say Morgan and Horford were the 5th option, therefore not good. Those two helped us win the B10 by three games in Beilein's system while McGary was hurt. Does that mean they weren't good? Or that they did exactly what they were supposed to and excelled at it? When, surprise, they were upperclassmen? It is all too predictable. Bringing DJ Wilson up, a redshirt freshman, as someone who hasn't done a lot on the court is laughable.

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^

"Morgan and Horford, even though they were solid, were nothing more than the 5th option for our offense."

Apparently you can't read?  Solid = not good in your world?  My point with the McGary to Morgan/Horford comparison was that McGary was an elite big man recruit and took us to another level than Morgan/Horford did.  Unless you want to argue that the NCG = elite 8 too.  The difference between the NCG team and the elite 8 team wasn't Trey Burke and Tim Hardaway Jr, those players were replaced by the emergence of Stauskas and Levert.  It was the absence of a game changing big man like McGary, who was our most valuable player during the tournament run.  Oh, and he did that as a freshman, so there ya go.

Smoothitron

December 24th, 2015 at 2:13 PM ^

I'm not entering into this particular tiff, but your assertion that McGary v. Morgan was the difference between the NCG run and the Elite 8 run is insane.  Individual NCAA tourney results are way too random and specific to assign to big picture crap like that.

The difference in reality was Kansas failing to foul in an obvious fouling situation and a sub-35% 3-point shooter hitting a gamewinner with LeVert in his jersey.  The important thing is that both teams put themselves in position to make a run via seeding, and the latter team actually did a better job.

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

McGary absolutely was the difference.  Not the sole difference but by far the biggest one IMO.  The guy put up like 25 and 12 against an elite center in Jeff Withey, which helped Michigan beat probably the 2nd best team in the field that year.  He dominated everyone until we got to the Louisville game, that was absolutely a huge difference.  Morgan played really well in the tournament his senior year, but he wasn't able to go toe to toe with Kentucky's bigs like McGary was able to do with Kansas', and that proved to be a huge difference in that game as Kentucky murdered us in the paint and on the boards.  2013 Michigan also played in probably the most competitive Big Ten conference there's ever been, which no doubt hurt their potential tournament seeding.

Smoothitron

December 24th, 2015 at 2:58 PM ^



1. I opposed your opinion that Morgan was not a good enough big man for his team to make the final four.  You took that to mean that I think we shouldn't recruit big men.  I think we recruited Morgan, so I think we should recruit big men too.  We agree!

2. I only spoke on the 2013 and 2014 teams.  Neither of those teams snuck into the tourney.  Who are you talking to?

3. As for UCLA, we tried the Sam Gilbert thing in the 90's and we got in trouble :(

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 3:01 PM ^

Well, apparently suggesting that the players actually make a difference is an ignorant narrative, so I'm sorry for being ignorant.  I guess I was out of line for thinking McGary might've made a difference in the Kentucky game, where we got completely dominated inside, and might've rendered Harrison's 3 moot.  I guess I was also out of line for suggesting that the recruitment of a future 1st round NBA pick is more impactful than the recruitment of a decent 4 year college, future European pro player.  So again, sorry for my ignorance.

Smoothitron

December 24th, 2015 at 3:15 PM ^


C'mon.  You know I never said that McGary wouldn't have made a difference.  What I DID say is that Michigan was good enough to win that game without him.  Considering they lost a close game by a fluke basket, I am probably right.

You said that Michigan NEEDS an elite big man like McGary to make a final four.  That is inaccurate, and that is all I am saying.

As for the ignorance thing, it's ok.  I forgive you.

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 3:34 PM ^

Now who's making the strawman?  I never said Michigan needs an elite big man like McGary to make a final four.  I suggested that McGary, who won the region's most outstanding player in the 2013 tournament, was the difference between where the 2013 team finished and where the 2014 team did.  Apparently you think that's an egregious statement, I don't.  You pointed to 2 plays as the difference and ignored the reason those 2 plays were even in positions to impact the outcomes in the first place.

Smoothitron

December 24th, 2015 at 3:52 PM ^

This is what you said verbatim:

"The difference between the NCG team and the elite 8 team...was the absence of a game changing big man like McGary"

This is what I said was wrong, and it is wrong.  There are only two meaningful differences in the performances of those two teams.

1. 2014 achieved more in the regular season.
2. 2013's luck ran out in the tournament 2 rounds later.

Both teams were capable of winning a title.  Both teams were likely capable of losing in the opening weekend.  I personally hate the attitude of judging an entire team and season by ignoring an entire season of games in favor of a series of coin flip games in a tournament that rarely crowns the best team.

Stringer Bell

December 24th, 2015 at 4:06 PM ^

I know what I said, and I reiterated it.  Nowhere in that quote does it say that Michigan NEEDS an elite big man to make the final four.  The tournament is about matchups, Kentucky was obviously a bad one for us given their size but guess what, a guy like McGary could've made it a more favorable one.  That's all I'm saying.  Kentucky exploited that weakness to the tune of 17 offensive rebounds and a +11 in the rebounding category.  The goal is to reduce the number of matchups that could be unfavorable, and having a top notch big man does that for a perimeter oriented team.  

Also, if you're gonna look at the regular season accomplishments, you need to factor in that the 2012-2013 Big Ten was a lot stronger than the 2013-2014.  You had Indiana, OSU, MSU, and Michigan that were all like top 15 teams, plus a very good Wisconsin team that choked early in the tournament.  Compare that to 2014 where Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan were really the only teams that were title threats among the conference.  So a much easier conference slate helps explain the 2013-2014's team regular season success compared to their predecessor.

MichiganMan14

December 24th, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

Our post D was nonexistent. Willy Cauley didn't even play and his backup....from Detroit....went nuts with a barrage of dunks. If we have bigs on the roster aside from Morgan. ...we win that game. We didn't so...we didn't. If we have another athletic big to combat the fist fight that we found ourselves in for the title....we win that too. We had Blake Mclimans. ......

MichiganMan14

December 24th, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^

He looks damn good on the court to me. And he can even shoot the 3....go figure. Wilson would start under most coaches. It's not even really close. Him and Moritz should be playing....a lot.

TIMMMAAY

December 24th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

An elite big is what is missing from this team. If we could get one, we'd be in contention for the Big Ten title. It's incredibly frustrating. I think it's totally fair to at least cock an eyebrow in Beilein's general direction, when it comes to his defense, and post recruiting (if not recruiting in general).

He's a fantastic teaching coach on the offensive side, and a very good in game coach. He's an even better person and role model. By no means am I saying he should be on the hot seat, but that doesn't mean there aren't area's that need considerable improvement.