In reply to by Ghost of Hoke

DHughes5218

October 19th, 2015 at 4:48 PM ^

This is what it takes to compete and win national titles these days. We can lie to ourselves and say this is nothing like what OSU did (we are pulling a football scholarship without UM doctor's evaluation/ OSU waited for their doctor's to evaluate) but I believe this is about Kareem Walker.  If this is what we have to do to get the #1 RB, I'm okay with it. 

In reply to by Ghost of Hoke

bronxblue

October 19th, 2015 at 8:37 PM ^

It isn't the greatest thing to do, but they are giving Falcon more than enough time to find another landing spot, and he has a great fallback if he really can't find another place to play football.

WolvinLA2

October 19th, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^

Did you dislike it when Beilein did essentially the same for Hatch? Sometimes things happen after a player gets offered a scholarship to where they no longer deserve that spot on the team. The only time it's bad is when the player doesn't have a say or they simply get the scholarship pulled altogether. Harbaugh is giving Falcon an option here. It's sucks he got hurt, but this is part of sports.

WolvinLA2

October 19th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

Yes, but not really.  It was always the understanding that if Michigan needed that scholarship, he'd go to medical.  We just had one open that year and Hatch got to stay on the team for one season.  There was never an intent for him to stay on, which is why he wasn't redshirted.  He got some garbage time play, sunk a free throw, and it was great.  But basketball is also different than football, and Hatch was told beforehand that this would be the plan, just like with Falcon, so if he wanted to go to a smaller school and play, he could.  He chose Michigan knowing full well he'd be on medical scholarship and never a real contributing member on the team.  

Maybe that was easier for Hatch to accept since he was in a freaking plane crash and lucky to be alive, but the circumstances aren't all that different.  Would it really be better (or even different) if Harbaugh let Falcon get 2 carries against Delaware State before putting on a medical?  

You can't officially put a player on a medical hardship before he enrolls anyway (as far as I undertstand it) so if Michigan happens to have an open scholarship next fall (like they did with Hatch) he can technically be on the team for one season without it affecting anyone.  Would that make it OK with you?  Because, that's still really not any different.

Doughboy1917

October 19th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

Harbaugh's offering Falcon a free Michigan education in return for, well, nothing. It's quite an honorable thing to do. Harbaugh's keeping his promise to the kid, even though he doesn't think Falcon is physically capable of fulfilling his part of the agreement.

If Falcon is more interested in an opportunity to play football, he's free to go elsewhere. No hard feelings.

HAIL-YEA

October 19th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

This is much better then <inset coach here> cooled on him or slow played him. He has 8 months to find somewhere to play, Meyer told Dean like 3 months after signing day, not even comparable IMO. If he can't find a scholly anywhere else he can still come to Michigan for free, I don't know what else he could expect. 

WWTSD

October 19th, 2015 at 5:00 PM ^

physical over a month before signing day and was told then. 

Dean tried to get outside help to clear him.  OSU Dr.'s weren't swayed.  News broke to public after signing day but that doesn't change the actual timeline as to what happened.

sivaDavis

October 19th, 2015 at 2:41 PM ^

"So UM is offering to pay this guy's way through UM for four years and ask nothing in return from Falcon, and that seems to be dirty and exploitive to you? He can come here and spend four years having fun and not have to pay? Sounds just aweful!" This is exactly what Urban offered Jamel Dean but everyone said he was a scumbag for it. Looks like the script flips when your own coach does it right?

DHughes5218

October 19th, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^

I still don't get the reasoning behind the difference.  Does it make it better that we pulled his scholarship before our doctor's even looked at his knee? OSU could argue that at least they were willing to wait and let their doctor's take a look at his knee and the only reason UM is pulling the football scholarship is to lure away an OSU commit. Both schools offered to pay for the player's college education.

I guess I can see a slight difference, but which one is better? You could argue either way. I'm probably in the minority here because I didn't think it was slimy when Meyer did it, because that's what all the top notch programs do. Harbaugh isn't here for a conference title every once and a while, here's here for a dynasty and to get their it's not always going to be pretty. With all the attention we are getting now, I have a feeling this is the first and not the last player committed to this class that won't be a part of the team come nsd.

WolvinLA2

October 19th, 2015 at 5:13 PM ^

You have no reason to say we pulled the football scholarship to lure in an OSU commit.  That's completely conjection on your part based on absolutely nothing.  The timing doesn't even work out, since Falcon was told this before Walker's visit.  

The reason the OSU situation is worse is because the kid was left high and dry after signing day.  This was after official visits and the whole recruiting process, and after the kid moved away from home.  That's a lot.  Falcon now has a number of months to see what his other options are and make a decision.  It also gives him time to rehab and possibly (though unlikely) prove the Michigan coaches wrong.  If come March or April Falcon is running and cutting well and MIchigan has an open scholarship (and Falcon hasn't signed his medical hardship waiver yet) he might get a shot.  

If Michigan has a spot open in this class, they can always give it to Falcon if he's somewhat healthy and if they feel the same way that they do now, medical him then.

sivaDavis

October 19th, 2015 at 10:38 PM ^

Dean was the first commit in that class and was loved by Urban. Committed over a year and a half I believe before signing day. When he got hurt, Urban said he would still have his scholarship, got hurt again, Urban reaffirmed to him he still had his scholarship. About 2 months before signing day there was word his knee might not ever be healthy enough for football at any level again. On top of that, Ohio State's doctors wouldn't clear him either and that's when Urban offered him what Falcon was offered by Harbaugh, so Dean looked for second opinions from lots of other doctors so he could be cleared to play for OSU. It was getting closer to signing day and was clear it wasn't going to work out but he was set on playing again. He was offered the exact same thing but the difference is Urban didn't pull Dean's scholarship after learning about the injuries. Harbaugh, from what I'm seeing, pulled the offer without even knowing the severity of the injury. Let's not try and flip it just because Harbaugh is doing the things you all scolded Urban for months about. These situations are the same if not worse on Harbaugh's part.

Magnus

October 20th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^

There's absolutely nothing wrong with what Harbaugh is doing. The football program has no requirement or moral obligation to allow a player onto the team who has not signed any financial aid agreements or a National Letter of Intent. Furthermore, there appears to be a very good chance that the player - who has no official connection to the university - would not be able to fulfill his role as a football player.

Some of you people act as if players are owed some unending gratitude just because they say, "Yeah, coach, I want to play for you."

pescadero

October 20th, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^

It isn't about what is owed. It's about what is the right thing to do.

 

Unless you know the kid can't play again (and we have have plenty of folks on the team playing after torn ACLs, and we haven't had a doctor look at him, and and least one other doctor says he can come back) - you give him the chance.

 

...but football recruiting is scummy and everyone does it, so I guess that is just how it is.

 

 

Magnus

October 20th, 2015 at 10:54 AM ^

The "right thing to do" is not necessarily to jeopardize an existing scholarship on your roster just because some poor kid who's good at football got hurt (for the third time). The right thing to do could very well be awarding that scholarship to someone who is just as deserving but also does not have an injury history.

For every scholarship that is taken away from one player, there is another player who is the recipient of good news.

Furthermore, Falcon is still being given the opportunity for a free education. I don't see how that's the wrong thing to do.

pescadero

October 20th, 2015 at 3:39 PM ^

All ethics are subjective and personal. Everyone thinks their ethics are correct - or they wouldn't adhere to that ethical framework.

 

It's not odd for someone to think their ethics are correct and everyone who disagrees is wrong - it's the most common thing in the world.

 

You don't think your own ethical framework is wrong, do you?

bronxblue

October 19th, 2015 at 8:40 PM ^

But he didn't.  All Harbaugh gave Falcon was a scholarship offer to play at UM; if he really is as injured as people think, he'd probably never see the field except in mop-up duties.  Now, if that's his dream to run onto that field in the uniform, then yeah that sucks.  But playing for UM is never assured, and at least here Falcon is given a chance to look elsewhere.  

Templeton Peck…

October 19th, 2015 at 2:54 PM ^

I don't see how this can be characterized as a negative. It's the type of decision by someone who realizes; 1. How hard it is to make it to the NFL; 2. How short the average playing career is if one makes it to the league in the first place; 3. Life goes on long after you get done playing football; 4. A degree from a school like Michigan has transitive value that will last a lifetime. This scholarship accomplishes the goal of receiving a free education from one of the greatest public universities on the planet. Unless you have a transcendent career in the NFL and are able to parlay that into another post-playing career as a talking head or infotainer, the decision seems like an easy one.

This seems rather similar to the Ondre Pipkins issue prior to this season. Harbaugh is looking out for the long-term physical health and welfare of these young men, many of whom will never make a dollar by playing football. 

Sometimes the truth is painful in the short-term. However, by being honest up-front, Coach Harbaugh is making it clear where he stands on the issue of student athletes. These young men are students first, athletes second. A medical scholarship is provided to the student even if he doesn't ever play a down as an athlete. Think about that... Matt Falcon will never provide any sort of material advantage to the University of Michigan football team, but Coach Harbaugh will still provide a scholarship to the student because of a prior promise.

 

buckeyejonross

October 19th, 2015 at 2:16 PM ^

What? Meyer offered this kid four years of free education at the Ohio State University to not play football because it would risk injuring his knee further. Exactly how is that "scummy?"

 

For the record, it's not scummy. And if Falcon chooses to not play, and attend Michigan as a student, good for him. But if he gets a second opinion, and then plays for someone else who will give him a football scholarship (Auburn/Dean) then how is it terribly different?

"I would have to sign a waiver saying I can't play even though top surgeons told me, my family and Coach Harbaugh I will be able to get back on the field and play at a high level."

Literally sounds exactly like what Jamel Dean said. And in regards to the timing, OSU didn't medical Dean until they got him on campus and tested the knee. Sounds like Michigan is "medicaling" Falcon before he even gets on campus. Maybe it's because they're already projected to be over the scholarship limit and there's a running back in New Jersey they would love to add to the class. Or maybe it's because they truly believe he can't play football anymore. 

I guess it depends on who you root for, huh?

CLord

October 19th, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

Thank goodness you're here to monitor our logic and fact stretching Jon Ross.  It's very important that Michigan fans view Urban Meyer as the good guy you know he is after all.  For such a fairhanded fellow there can be no doubt you're also doing the same thing keeping the lunacy of your monkeys on 11W in check when they twist every last thing about Michigan?  God bless you.

buckeyejonross

October 19th, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^

I don't comment on 11W because they're mostly insane. I read the articles. The only OSU fans I interact with are at OTE.

I, quite frankly, don't give a fuck about your opinion on Urban Meyer. Think whatever you want. If you're talking about OSU over here, I read and generally reply to those comments about OSU.