M Hoops v. Penn State Open Thread (?)
January 4th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^
Program Trajectory. Nothing is more important than trajectory....
January 4th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^
With his hands behind his back is really eating at my soul
January 4th, 2017 at 9:29 PM ^
Kind of like watching Caldwell stand on the sideline with that blank stare.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:31 PM ^
Beilein has decorum.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:22 PM ^
GARBAGE. Im starting to get sick and tired of this.. On the road against Iowa is understandable. But this? This is unacceptable, these guys play with no passion whatsoever.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:27 PM ^
@Iowa with no student section was not acceptable. That place sounded like a middle school game in the arena for a good portion. That was a highly winnable game and IMO unacceptable.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:23 PM ^
Team is just soft ....no emotion.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:24 PM ^
Coach is a great guy, just not a great Top 10 team coach. Atmosphere is stale at Crisler and the team is just not good enough. Since Harbaugh's arrival everything has changed for all teams. Mediocrity is not acceptable.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^
this team mirrors them to a T. when they play well, the team looks good. however, as leaders they are lacking. they both show little fire in the belly. great guys mind you, but almost no fire. they are missing the "intangibles". they are supporting actors and not built to be vocal team leaders like burke, stauskus or even novak. i don't think they make their teamates better on the court or with vocal nudging.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:29 PM ^
And to think at one point they were thought to be the next great Michigan backcourt after Burke and Hardaway.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:34 PM ^
Who thought that?
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:35 PM ^
Burke and Hardaway seem like a lifetime ago at this very moment.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^
Fire Beilein
January 4th, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^
I've watched almost every game for the past 5 years and tonight I didn't even know we had a game. That's how far we've fallen.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^
Me too. I actually downgraded my PlayStation Vue package after football season (BTN is not on the entry level package where I live). I'm only saving $5 a month but it's totally worth not being able to watch this mediocrity.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:26 PM ^
I know we're not as talented as we were a couple years ago but we should beat teams like Iowa and PSU. We're not THAT bad. Sheesh!
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:28 PM ^
I'm beginning to wonder.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:27 PM ^
Fucking haters in this thread.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:30 PM ^
There's literally no excuse for this. Everyone is healthy.
And this is what we are.
And you know I like Beilein. But I cannot defend this if this is what this season is going to be. Even if we come back and win this game, this is a program issue.
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January 4th, 2017 at 10:04 PM ^
experienced rosters JB has had at Michigan. But that is what years of poor recruiting will do to you.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:28 PM ^
It seems like almost everyone on this team is just mailing it in lately, including Beilein.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:28 PM ^
You can leave anytime now John.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:29 PM ^
Or we can just kiss it's ass goodbye.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:30 PM ^
Ummmmm...what????
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:36 PM ^
2OT i guess
January 4th, 2017 at 9:29 PM ^
Too much parameter pussy stuff ... and then none of them can make a 3-pointer. Wilson is the worst defensive player I have ever seen for his size. I would design the offense around Robinson because at least he can play solid defense.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:35 PM ^
Duncan Robinson can play solid defense??? Are you watching the same team?
He's one of the worst defensive players in the Big Ten.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:41 PM ^
Looks like a Matador - "olay"! Use your f-ing big body and shove somebody to the f-ing floor.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:36 PM ^
Lol at Robinson playing solid defense.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:39 PM ^
My brain immediately started racing trying to figure out if there was another Robinson on the team other than Duncan.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:46 PM ^
dude needs to man-up. Stop the whimpy reach-in fouls and hit somebody. If you are going to foul, enforce your will and make an f-ing statement. Otherwise Robinson needs more minutes togain some quality 3-point shots becasue Wilson is a net detriment otherwise.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:58 PM ^
dude needs to man-up. Stop the whimpy reach-in fouls and hit somebody. If you are going to foul, enforce your will and make an f-ing statement. Otherwise Robinson needs more minutes togain some quality 3-point shots becasue Wilson is a net detriment otherwise.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:30 PM ^
I'll say this. Historically, Michigan has been a second tier basketball program on a level with OSU, Arkansas, Arizona, Syracuse, and UConn (outside of their weird success in the tourney). That means a run here or there with a FF and some other deep runs in the tourney, but some years in the mid-seed range and some years on the bubble. Michigan hasn't had their Boeheim, Calhoun, Olsen that really defined their program.
Fisher had 8 full years and made 2 title games and another Elite 8 while missing the tournament twice. Frieder missed the tournament his first four years and then made it six straight with the NC team in '89. Orr and Strack seemed to have a string of success sandwiched by down years.
So, ultimately Beilein is around the typical Michigan coach going back to the modern age of college hoops (Strack and Orr most likely would've made additional tournaments with an expanded field). This is Year 10. He missed Year 1 and Year 3 and then the year from hell. So, basically, he's made the tourney 5 of the last 6 years.
That said, there has been obvious regression from the upper class men and the team looks dead. Beilein sits there on the bench looking disappointed and like a sad grandpa.
I honestly don't know whether it's time to move on or not. And that's why Warde gets paid the big bucks.
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January 4th, 2017 at 10:07 PM ^
is the steady downward trend since the NC run, both on the court and on the recruiting trail.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:31 PM ^
I've been reading up on the Christian Wilkins crotch grab that missed during the Fiesta Bowl. That was more enjoyable than the crotch punch the hoops team is getting right now.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:31 PM ^
I hate that MSU looked like garbage a month ago. Their players have developed and they look like a completely different team. There's a reason M's players are incapable of progressing it seems like.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^
Dog, they played Rutgers and Northwestern.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:34 PM ^
Dog, they beat Minnesota who just went to Purdue and won.
Also, M has played Iowa and PSU and looks/looked like garbage against them.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:34 PM ^
They also got a road victory against a Minnesota team that went to Mackey and smacked down the Boilers.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:37 PM ^
Today? I did not know this.
Not surprising though, as Matt Painter sucks.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:39 PM ^
No, a week ago. They just played Rutgers tonight.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:56 PM ^
The Minnesota win at Purdue was on Jan. 1
January 4th, 2017 at 9:59 PM ^
Yeah, I was a little fuzzy that day. Must've missed it.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:34 PM ^
There is just no ball movement...it is dribble shoot, dribble shoot....4 assists in the first half, plus we are getting killed on the boards. Coach should really consider sitting a couple starters until they understand that they need to play with more urgency. Maybe a couple of the freshmen will bring the energy needed to at least wake up the rest of the team.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:36 PM ^
When you can't get a single athlete to commit there is a problem ! Livers looks like he can play but when you have a team full of projects you are going nowhere ! Walton 2 pts 0 asts so far . Having more fun reading about Najee than watching the game .
January 4th, 2017 at 9:36 PM ^
I'd stop reading about Najee at this point. He's headed to Bama.
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January 4th, 2017 at 9:36 PM ^
Coach needs to put in more aggressive players. Wagner nees to play way more physical - challenge him to use his body and get more tough-ass fouls. The reach-in crap is whimpy. Use the body and shove their ass back to Happy Valley. If he can't, Donnell is glad to do that. We need an "enforcer" to show some direction for this team.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:37 PM ^
how the UCLA game has affected this team. Seems to have completely deflated them.
January 4th, 2017 at 9:54 PM ^
Team has been deflated since tipoff of the South Carolina game.
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