Lloyd Carr appointed to the NCAA Committee on Infractions

Submitted by Leaders And Best on January 21st, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Lloyd Carr and Bobby Cremins were appointed to the NCAA Committee on Infractions. Carr could have a pivotal role in the penalties handed down in some of the high profile cases on the docket (Miami, Oregon, UNC, etc.).

Dan Wolken @DanWolken

Lloyd Carr, Bobby Cremins and former Minnesota AD Joel Maturi appointed to the NCAA Committee on Infractions. Interesting.


Marley Nowell

January 21st, 2013 at 1:43 PM ^

Carr was notorious for disliking the way recruiting was heading at the end of his tenure.  Hopefully he can expose some shady recruiting practices (looking at you SEC).


January 21st, 2013 at 1:45 PM ^

Quick questions since I don't know much about how these things work...


Why were they appointed to the committee?  Did other members step down, are they replaced every X number of years, or is it something else?

Also, is there something Dan Wolken finds especially "interesting" about Carr and Cremins being appointmented?  Is he alluding to the fact that they're both products of the usually cleaner Big Ten?  Maybe I'm just reading too much into that.

Leaders And Best

January 21st, 2013 at 3:07 PM ^

1.  The NCAA expanded the committee this year to try to get cases heard faster.

2. There are term limits on committee members. Not sure how long the term is though.

3. I think the "interesting" part refers to Carr's comments on NCAA rules and how they are being enforced during his news conference to announce his selection to the College Football Hall of Fame. The comments came during the heart of the OSU Tatgate scandal and a couple weeks before Tressel resigned. I think his comments were a subtle jab at OSU's handling of their violations by stonewalling and self-reporting the minimum.

I can understand where Carr's comments are coming from: Tressel was a guy he probably knew was cheating and kicking his butt on the field, and the NCAA had no power or chose not to go after him. The warning flags were all around Tressel: he was part of a major NCAA LOIC infractions case at Youngstown State with Ray Isaac and booster Mickey Monus, reports of NCAA violations with Maurice Clarett that were never investigated, and the slap on the wrist for the self-reported Troy Smith violations without any further investigation into the program.



January 21st, 2013 at 4:14 PM ^

Also, Stevie Brown counts. he had a nice season in the NFL this year so clearly it wasnt a question of his talent. Michigan had some good secondaries under Carr. They had some bad ones too but it wasn't a total tire fire every year.

I would add to this thread, Carr was not a super conservative play caller early in his career. With 9 min to go in the Rose Bowl he called a reverse pass where Woodson was going to throw it, and if memory serves that was on 3rd and long and behind in the score. That is the opposite of conservative play calling with the National Championship at stake. However later in his career he did get noticeably more conservative, just wasn't always that way.

snarling wolverine

January 21st, 2013 at 4:43 PM ^

Brown doesn't exactly count - he was a safety, not a CB.

I disagree about Carr getting more conservative as time went on.  He actually became slightly more willing to go for it on 4th down as the years went on, and his quarterbacks put up increasingly big numbers over the years.  His early offenses (especially the Fred Jackson-coordinated ones in 1995 and '96) were hyper-conservative and really struggled.  The Woodson pass play you mention was certainly a great call, but not indicative of how our play-calling was then.



January 21st, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^

NCAA PRESIDENT: how big do you recommend the sanctions against Oregon be?


FRED JACKSON, ASST. TO LLOYD: like SMU, but tougher and faster.


January 21st, 2013 at 2:17 PM ^

Congratulations to Lloyd Carr, first and foremost. This is a great opportunity and a good choice by the NCAA, I believe. 

I wonder if this is part of the changes they proposed to the enforcement model back in August, one of which was to increase the size of the committee from 10 to 24. The idea would be that the committee could then easily subdivide, look at specific aspects of a school's case, and make recommendations. 

the unsilent m…

January 21st, 2013 at 2:23 PM ^

with his obstinate coaching philosophy.  However, I was always proud to be a Michigan fan when he was coach due to the character he developed in his players and thus his teams.  Great to see him appointed to this committee. 


January 21st, 2013 at 2:39 PM ^

Always thought he was overrated as a football coach. Not that he was bad, but never more than mediocre. But, you certainly can not question his morals and the way he lead Michigan. Always seemed to a great example of a guy you'd want to coach your sons, siblings, etc. I think he'll do a ton of good on the infractions committee.


January 21st, 2013 at 5:27 PM ^

There were aspects of his gameday coaching that I found frustrating, but to call him mediocre, when he won 75% of his games over a 13-year period and our only national title in the last 60 years, is unfair.  Carr maintained a standard that had us calling the 7-5 season in 2005 the "Year of Infinite Pain."  I think he was a good coach, but his risk-averse nature kept him a little short of being a great coach.  

If anything, the last five years should make us appreciate more how hard it is to keep a program operating at a high level.



January 21st, 2013 at 5:35 PM ^

That season had way more to do with Woodson being the best overall player in the game by a long shot than Carr's coaching. Not to mention, the coodinators and position coaches he had. I'm not saying he was bad, but if you take Woodson away from that team and put the second best DB Michigan ever had there, I think they don't win the championship. That's the difference that Woodson made that season.

I'm certainly not trying to be mean to Carr. Like I said, he's a pretty good guy and respectful and seems to have good morals. But, I think he's slightly overrated by some in the coaching department. However, that's just one guys opinion. I'm certainly no expert on Michigan in the early 2000's either.

Let me put it this way. I think a better, elite, coach could have won 2-3 National Championships if given the same roster and time as Carr.


January 21st, 2013 at 6:01 PM ^

Let me put it this way. I think a better, elite, coach could have won 2-3 National Championships if given the same roster and time as Carr.

Then why is he the only coach to win a national title here in the last 64 seasons?  I can't imagine what your feelings must be regarding Bo Schembechler, who never a won a national title in his 21 years here.

BTW, you might note that, as our DC and secondary coach under Moeller, Carr played an instrumental role in Woodson's recruitment. Also, both of our coordinators in the 1997 season were first-year guys, hired by Lloyd.


January 21st, 2013 at 3:23 PM ^

Hopefully Lloyd brings his curmudgeony-grumpiness to when Oregon and Miami's penalties are discussed.

Especially Miami.  If the Grove isn't a proverbial nuclear wasteland after the NCAA is done with them, mgoblog may as well start a Kickstarter fund for a boat, hookers, blow, and booze for Michigan recruits for the next Jobbie Nooner.



January 21st, 2013 at 5:05 PM ^

Took forever to get everyone's surveys in, which they needed to reduce cost. Finally got them and ordered a huge bulk order. Bulk orders came in with mis-prints on the clothing, so they had to send them back. I imagine they'll update when the company has everything fixed.


January 21st, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

"You know, Gentlemen, I was watching a few games this past weekend and I noticed Oregon ran a double reverse out of a shotgun spread formation that even the camera man couldn't follow. That's got to be some sort of violation, doesn't it?"