This is leadership (Terrelle Pryor edition)?

Submitted by IM4UMich on August 4th, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Now, I'm not usually one for Let's Bag On This Dude For Random Reasons, but Rittenberg's latest blog about Pryor's improved leadership seems weird to me:

"CHICAGO -- Ohio State senior tight end Jake Ballard didn't have to search for the subtle signs showing Terrelle Pryor's growth as a leader this summer.

Pryor made it plainly obvious during 7-on-7 workouts.

If a Buckeyes receiver dropped a pass, Pryor let him have it.

'If you drop one or two balls, he's going to try and get you out of there and put somebody else in," Ballard said. "If it hit your hands, he's going to take you out. He demands a lot from us and we demand a lot from him, and all of us know we can handle it.'"

Now, maybe I don't know what leadership is, but trying to get a guy off the field because he dropped a ball or two doesn't necessarily seem like leadership. Prima donna much?…



August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 AM ^

I think Rittenberg was trying to illustrate that Pryor is feeling more right to control the team, which a QB does need. A QB has to be a leader AND a boss.

Sounds like Pryor has got the boss part down, but he actually seems to SUCK at the leadership part.

mad magician

August 4th, 2009 at 10:36 AM ^

Substitute Tate Forcier for Terrelle Pryor, Kevin Koger for Ballard, and Michigan for OSU in this same story, and you'll see... yeah it's nothing. Like the old "Is this anything?" bit on Letterman:

"Paul, what do you think, is this anything?"
"Uh, I'm not sure."
"Yeah, I don't think this is anything."
"Me neither."


August 4th, 2009 at 10:23 AM ^

Thats not leadership. Leadership would be working with the receivers more so they get used to his ball and when a drop does occur, going over to them and picking their head up. I guarantee that hes going to remember those drops come game time and avoid those receivers.

Where would Michigan be if we avoided Braylon when he had the drop-sees a few years ago. QB's have to stay with their men and pick them up at their lows


August 4th, 2009 at 10:43 AM ^

I completely disagree. Players can lead in different ways, sure, but the most effective leaders I ever played with demanded excellence from everyone at all times, starting with themselves. I once remember our center coming to me in the huddle after I missed a block and telling me that if I did it again, he would block his man and mine the rest of the game, then kick my ass afterward. Just to punctuate it, a few plays later, he was supposed to pull around me and nail the OLB, but he decided to chip my man in the process, knocking him on his ass. You can bet I never missed another block with him around. I loved and respected that guy as a teammate.

To me, this isn't TP bitching out players because their drops are hurting his stats (the primadonna approach). This is TP saying "I did what I needed to do to make this play work (put the ball in your hands), now you need to do your job or we're going to find somebody else who can.". Its about not letting one player's mistakes fuck over the whole team's efforts.


August 4th, 2009 at 11:05 AM ^

I agree that their are multiple forms of leadership. This being said I do not think that Pryor can demand perfection from everyone yet. His passing isn't great and I do not feel he has established himself yet-my opinion there. I wonder if Pryor ever thought about if he could have done something to make this an easier catch for his receiver-thrown it with more touch or a foot in a different direction or something.

As a former receiver, I feel that drops are the worst thing ever. I know when my QB jumped on my case it did not help anything. I believe the coach should be the one to get on you about mistakes and teammates are supposed to rally together and help each other. Then again this is how my team best preformed-the QB graduated and got a new coach with different ideals....more about The Team, The Team, The Team


August 4th, 2009 at 7:47 PM ^

Your epinion is WRONG (read: your epinion does not coincide with my epinion), I shall -1 it!

(for what it is worth, I did not neg you - I am merely poking fun at the fact that this post is an unexplainable -4)

edit: and it went down a point while I was typing. -5 now, wow


August 4th, 2009 at 12:03 PM ^

If there is one thing I've learned while leading people it is that when you expect perfection, a lot of times you get something very close to it. In the absence of coaches (summer drills), there is nothing wrong with the quarterback holding receivers accountable and making them have to earn their jobs. Complacency and entitlement is what led to the start of our 2007 season IMHO.

Smitty D

August 4th, 2009 at 10:25 AM ^

he should should sit down when he throws one of his garbage passes 10ft over a reciever. He throws like garbage!!!! I know he can run like the wind but I really was surprised his arm is that weak.


August 4th, 2009 at 10:56 AM ^

This is the best response on the entire thread.

It's not a quarterback's job to coach up the kid. It's his job to set an example. Catching a football is mostly about concentration. Go outside and play catch. On any given ball, tell yourself as the ball is thrown "I'm going to catch this ball." If you watch the ball all the way in, I can almost guarantee that you'll catch it (if you're halfway athletic and not, I don't know, Dustin Diamond). But when you lose concentration and just take for granted that you'll catch the ball, that's when it will glide through your fingertips.


August 4th, 2009 at 10:43 AM ^

"Terrelle Pryor prefers it when receivers catch the ball."

That's what this says, basically. Why do we need to turn this kid into evil incarnate? You've never seen Brady or Favre get on a receiver who drops a pass that hits him in the hands?


August 4th, 2009 at 10:45 AM ^

Approve memos....

Bench tight ends....

Jump out the window....

Run the option.....

Eat a bagel....

Get a shiny car....for your prom.....

lose to Texas.....

Swallow sadness....


August 4th, 2009 at 11:11 AM ^

we should see this as good news. if he doesnt bond well with the receivers or only with some come game day it will cost the team since he will favor some receivers


August 4th, 2009 at 11:26 AM ^

I've got to agree in most part. I assume TP knows his receivers pretty well and knows what motivates them better than we do. Being clear with his expectations is not a bad thing.

And clearly he expects his receivers to take a hold of his balls and not let go.


August 4th, 2009 at 11:59 AM ^

I agree. I don't think this shows a lack of leadership, unless he also rolls his eyes and shows them up on the field. Sure, you don't want to alienate a player when he is struggling, but knowing that your QB expects you to catch his passes probably will push some of these guys to be better.

That said, Pryor should be careful about what stones he casts in his own glass house; he threw some absolutely horrific passes last year that put his receivers in bad positions. As long as he takes responsibility for his own faults, I'm fine with this approach.


August 4th, 2009 at 11:32 AM ^

If it's making the receivers concentrate more and get better, then it's leadership.

If he's alienating himself from teammates, then it's the opposite.

Sounds like his receivers are OK with it, although it would be interesting to see what happens after a few wounded ducks.

Blue Bennie

August 4th, 2009 at 12:30 PM ^

Different sport, but this reminds me of Steve Shields. He was constantly bitching at his defensemen.

I knew some players who thought he was a jerk. I don't know how much it hurt the team at the time, but I'd rather not have teammates jawing at each other.

I'd rather have the coaches do the yelling. Often teams unite in their hatred / fear of a coach.

But if Mr. Pryor wants to be a dick to his teammates, let him be a dick to his teammates.


August 4th, 2009 at 12:32 PM ^

I guess it depends on the player and sport. My old quarterback would never complain or yell, but the way he'd walk away or shake his head told you how he was feeling about your play.