Just the facts...and a little perspective

Submitted by MGolem on

Jim Harbaugh played in the AFC Championship, and came one dropped hail mary from playing in the Super Bowl; he was also a pro-bowler the same year.

Jim Harbaugh gave birth to Stanford football as we know it today.

Jim Harbaugh resurrected a moribund 49ers team and came one muffed punt from coaching in back-to-back Super Bowls.

In Jim Harbaugh’s time as the coach at Michigan he has not gone a full season without losing at least one quarterback at some point during the year.

Michigan is one of only two teams in the current top 25 starting a backup quarterback due to injury (Georgia is the other); no other team is starting their third stringer. Michigan is the only team in the top 25 who has played, and won, a game with three different starting quarterbacks.

Now...for a little perspective: In 2013 Jimbo Fisher’s Florida State team was crowned National Champions; they also went 13-1 the next year. His current team, who was in the top 2 to start the season, is 4-6, with a backup quarterback. Two years ago Mark Richt was run out of town at Georgia. This year his Miami team is 10-0 and ranked number 3. Does anyone think Jimbo Fisher forgot how to coach? Does anyone now think Mark Richt is one of the three best coaches in the country?

Anyone who suggests Harbaugh doesn’t know what he is doing, is somehow overrated, or better yet is the “fourth best coach in his own division” is ridiculous.

 

 

MGolem

November 19th, 2017 at 2:05 AM ^

Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Jimbo Fisher, Dabo Swinney, Mark Dantonion, Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, probably David Shaw, and of course Jim Harbaugh.

Georgia is a gold mine of talent. Richt had some good teams there but the guys he was getting, (and wasn't getting) should have led to a lot more winning. Probably the reason he was fired...no?

Not saying he isn't a good coach but his past suggests he is top ten at best. 

S Carolina Wolverine

November 19th, 2017 at 5:26 AM ^

soon to be 10 and the potential for 11

 

This IS year 3 and this team has many holes

 

Last year the team was filled with veterans

 

Losing to Iowa AND OSU were salt in the wound

 

Had Michigan won those 2 games and played in the CFP, this season would be a little more tolerable

 

They didn't. Harbaugh is 1-7 vs top 10 teams

 

Year of Revenge II

November 19th, 2017 at 5:44 AM ^

This is so obvious that it should not even have to be said, and you said it well.

Good thing nobody who matters is listening to all this hand-wringing about JH.  He has had some strange teams, all with glaring weaknesses compared to the elite of the elite, but his teams from now on out will have good balance.

He has restored M from a tire fire to a force again. Next year, we start to do some real damage. 

If you think that is too long given where we started, I got nothing for ya, nor you for me.

pwnwulf

November 19th, 2017 at 5:48 AM ^

Ten times harder than this year. Road games against Notre Dame, MSU, and Ohio State we could easily lose lava of them. Look at some of the other teams in the county. Auburn beats Alabama every once in a while even when they’re bad, Notre Dame beats usc sometimes even when they’re bad etc. we shit the bed every year vs our rivals. The gap between Osu and us is out of control and I don’t see us beating them for a long while. It’s not a rivalry anymore. 2-14 since 2001 is something that should never happen. If harbaugh doesn’t beat MSU or Ohio State ok the road next year than he’s gone mark my words.

MIGHTYMOJO91

November 19th, 2017 at 7:55 AM ^

Stop with the NFL bs. This is college football. Totally a different game. Michigan will be 8-4 at seasons end with a meaningless bowl game. Very good chance of 8-5 after that bowl game if opposing team has similar record as Michigan. The reality is that Michigan has become an afterthought. Next year (the new battle cry here) looks like more of the same albeit IMO +1 in the W column. I will continue to root for Michigan in every game they play. Lets just honest with ourselves here and face the facts. Michigan has fallen from elite status years ago. Maybe in 2019 we can get some of the swagger back but until then we are who we are.

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butuka21

November 19th, 2017 at 8:19 AM ^

They were literally 1 or 2 plays away from going to the big ten championship and possibly playoff last year. That defense this year is pretty amazing for losing everyone except for one guy. They lost there best qb and wide receiver early. I wrote this yesterday but this is still a product of the care to rich rod to hoke years. If harbaugh stays and recruits well this will be a well oiled machine in two years. No we should not have lost to msu this year and Iowa last year but a win yesterday for example would have been an upset. It sounds crazy but you have to give this time after rich rod hoke era they were really set back.

Willy Wonka

November 19th, 2017 at 7:58 AM ^

Michigan fans finding comfort in touting past accomplishments. Simply put: This team needs to be better given the financial investments on the coaching staff. Eventually Harbaugh's antics will not resonate with recruits and he will need to start demonstrating championships won from the current decade. Everyone should demand excellence and not settle for less. The mantra around here has been "wait until next year" for nearly 20 years now. It's old and stale and it reflects in the play on the field.

MIGHTYMOJO91

November 19th, 2017 at 8:54 AM ^

Funny how the posters here with "next year" mantra are quick to call out those with ANY criticism of the program shitty fans. That is also getting old and stale. Should JH be fired? Hell no he shouldn't. Do changes need to be made in the coaching staff? IMO hell yes. This is MICHIGAN for fucks sake. Is is too much for the "shitty" fans to expect more or just keep waiting till next year. I for one am tired of the latter and excuses!

KC Wolve

November 19th, 2017 at 8:15 AM ^

All true statements and any rationale fan agreed that Harbaugh will be fine. I think many of us just expected more. I don’t think there should be any excuses for the offensive tire fire UM has in year 3 of Harbaugh. Not saying they should be scoring 40 a game, but they don’t throw, block, or catch the balm well at all. Another thing that “surprises” me is the lack of a decent win so far. I mean, even bad teams surprise a team occasionally. They have been close but no wins. I had things going on yesterday afternoon and K State played at 2:30. They are having a bad year all around. Tons of injuries including 2 QBs so I basically wrote off the game yesterday at #12 OK state. Turned it on around halftime and KSU was dominating them with their redshirt freshman QB. It ended up getting close, but KSU pulled it off with a redshirt QB none of you will have ever heard of and a retread staff full of coaches that have failed elsewhere and only Snyder would employ.

harmon40

November 19th, 2017 at 8:42 AM ^

How many OSU/MSU trolls flood this site after a loss spewing bullshit in every direction?

Every UM fan I know in real life understands that we’ve had a very young and very injured team this year and is thrilled that we have JH. I only run into UM fans that are losing faith in him online.

Hmmmmm

garde

November 20th, 2017 at 9:37 AM ^

Did anyone reallty think we had a chance to run the ball when Chris Evans ran out as the starter? I like Chris and think he can be a weapon if used correctly, but he is not going to be able to run consistently in between the tackles against a very good defense. Higdon is obviously the better back in those situations, especially against a D like Wisconsin, and he can also grind out a couple more yards per run than Evans due to his running style. We missed Higdon's inability to play at 100% yesterday. Not saying he would have run wild, but I think he keeps a couple drives going with some tough runs and giving Peters some manageable short third downs.

We were the better team through three and a half quarters. We weren't great by any means, but we showed promise and looked like we could win (what, Wiscy had 95 yards offense through 40 minutes?). We didnt get some breaks and there was some head scratching calls on offense and defense, as well as Peters' fumble that left 3 points off the board. Yes, he missed a couple golden opportunities, but overall he played poised. (Although a tad concerned with his underthrows)

Lets also give some credit to Hornibrook and his receviers...when it mattered most, Hornibrook threw some great passes and was aided by some really nice catches by his WRs. 

This game was there for the taking, but we didnt execute when it mattered the most through those first three quarters. The team will learn from this game next year. 

And yes, there are plenty of issues that need to be addressed, but it seems the offense is close to clicking or at least being above average. I am hopeful that the WR core will take a major step next year (very excited for the reurn of Black, Martin to get a shot, and a lot of playing time this year for DPJ). The O-Line will be a question mark, especially at LT.

Finally, maybe its been discussed here and I haven't seen it, but our special teams has taken a step back from last couple years. Yes, we lost Peppers, but DPJ looks uncomfortable returning punts...and have we blocked a punt this year (maybe one)? I wonder about Patridge's ability to coach special teams. Maybe we had success last year because a lot of those guys had a year with Baxter??? Who knows for sure, but I dont think we have a threat in DPJ as a punt returner.  Also, is it me or is our blocking on punts atroicious? Seems DPJ never gets a punt with space to run...opposing team always has players down the field. Thomas looks to have promise as kick returner, but not sure he will be a huge difference maker.