MilkSteak

October 18th, 2013 at 9:00 PM ^

Why stop at 3? We should go to a 5 tackle system. Theoretically tackles are the best offensive linemen in pass protection due to their above average athleticism. Take this principle and envision a line with 5 roaming tackles who exist solely to pick people up in pass protection. Slap a #40 on a 6th tackle and put him next to Gardner in the shotgun. At the snap he too becomes a roaming protector. Devin would have all day to pass and the coverage would eventually break down or the defensive linemen would pass out in exhaustion and Devin could gain a nice 10 yards on a scramble. 

UofM626

October 18th, 2013 at 9:40 PM ^

As Kali's has done a good job in my opinion. I really think the green should have 15+ carries this game and let him get in a groove. Fitz is gone in 5-6 games and Geen and Rawls and Smith are just sitting there. Lets see what they can do.

B-Nut-GoBlue

October 18th, 2013 at 9:44 PM ^

The unfortunate thing about all of this is even if this somewhat works tomorrow we're not going to know squat until two weeks from now because Indiana's defense sucks; Sparty will be the true test. If it doesn't work tomorrow, then we're just fugged and not much has changed.

sammylittle

October 18th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^

Thomas Edison tried 1600 filaments before he found the right one. How many potential O line combinations do we have with the current roster and how many games remain?

elm

October 18th, 2013 at 11:38 PM ^

Assuming no redshirts are burnt, assuming no walk-ons besides Glasgow and Burzynski are used, and assuming the same players but at different positions count as a different combinations (technically permutations), then there would be n!/(n-r)! where n is the available linemen (10) and r is the number of positions (5), so 10!/5! or 10*9*8*7*6 permutations, or 30240 possibilities.  If we figure Lewan and Schofield are going nowhere, then it's 8*7*6, or 336.

If you really meant combinations and not permutations, then it's 10!/(5!*(10-5)!), or 252.  Again, keeping the tackles where they are, it's 8!/(3!*(8-3)!) or 56.

So, no matter what you meant, Borges can't go through all the possibilities even if he changes the line every quarter.

JT4104

October 18th, 2013 at 9:57 PM ^

This is just further indictment on Funk....just no getting around it at this point. Omameh got worse last year and Barnum never improved either. 

I will give credit to Mealer though as he seemed to be a solid pass blocker for the most part.

I would like to trade OL coaches before the game tomorrow if possible....I like Frey and thought he did a solid job.

At this point how a guy like Kalis worked with Bentley and is now losing his spot to a walk on is scary, I don't want to see what happens with Kugler next year either. If he ends up bad then it is clearly on Funk. No way a kid who's dad was a long time NFL OL coach should be bad at any point.

cbs650

October 19th, 2013 at 8:12 AM ^

that's not what he's getting at. Kalis worked with a NFL linemen everyday and was said to have great technique and same with Kugler. Now it looks like technique is an issue with Kalis (we don't know about Kugler yet). If technique becomes an issue then could it be they are being taught the wrong things now?

Leonhall

October 19th, 2013 at 10:01 AM ^

Know his technique is bad? Wtf! People around need to chill out. The guy is a freshman for Christ sake! Chill out...just because he worked out with an nfl player and his dad was an nfl player doesn't mean he is ready to be Steve Hutchinson right now, Christ the way people make assumptions and panic around here is sickening. This is a young team that is 5-1. We have a bunch of underclass men, lets wait before we completely melt down, Jesus, we wait months and months for football season and then half us bitch and never enjoy a single fucking moment.

dollarbill

October 18th, 2013 at 10:35 PM ^

Magnuson will do fine. Athleticism goes a long way in getting to the right spot on time. Have some faith; there is no reason to doubt him whereas others have struggled and failed.

steve sharik

October 18th, 2013 at 11:00 PM ^

...NEEDS MOAR TAKKELS!

Seriously, perhaps the coaches took a look at our skill players, the best of whom are the QB, WR, TE/WR, slot WR, and our best OL are pass-pro OTs.  Maybe the coaches are like, no matter who we play, we won't be able to run the ball, so let's put the best 5 pass-pro guys out there and give Devin time.  Whatever we get in the run game is a bonus.

I wouldn't move to outside zone with an even more inexperienced line, though.  It's the hardest blocking scheme in football to master with communication and technique.  Iso and power are pretty damned easy.

MichiganMan14

October 18th, 2013 at 11:34 PM ^

Funk cannot get any of our highly touted 4 and 5 star guards ready to play......okay. Isnt Joey 6ft1 and like 280? No offense to him but that aint exactly ManBall.

Sopwith

October 19th, 2013 at 12:57 AM ^

Except that one was in 2010, and instead of reshuffling offensive linemen in a panicky attempt to salvage a looming disaster we all knew was coming despite a 5-1 start, Michigan was reshuffling defensive backs in a panicky attempt to salvage a looming disaster we all knew was coming despite a 5-1 start.

I hate remakes.

MGrad

October 19th, 2013 at 1:26 AM ^

I am uncomfortable with the level of personal criticism directed at the players by name in all of these threads.

They wear the Michigan uniform and play their hearts out for the Michigan team, and for that they have my 100% support for everything that they do on that field, even if they struggle.

They are still very young inside the tackles.  Those names getting criticism are going to be excellent linemen in a year or two and we will all be smiling about their performance then, so support them now.

A little change-up right now makes sense, Let's see what happens over the next few weeks,

OL, OC and S&C coaching critical assessment, on the other hand, is fair.

Ty Butterfield

October 19th, 2013 at 2:26 AM ^

This reminds me of Seinfeld where Kramer would tell Jerry his latest crazy scheme and Jerry would say: "oh yeah this sounds like a great idea".

Go Blue6240

October 19th, 2013 at 9:11 AM ^

It appears over the past two years that these lineman have gotten worse, not better. At some point, this has to be on the coaches and their inability to teach proper technique to 4 and 5 star recruits. I know they're young, but there's enough talent now that they should at least be mediocre, and not the mess that they are midseason.

Leonhall

October 19th, 2013 at 9:54 AM ^

4 and 5 stars are you talking about? Only one who has played in Kali's, he hasn't been horrible, sans last week, he's only a RS freshman. Bryant was a consensus 3 star besides one 4 star. Other guys have walkons. There are a slew of RS and pure freshman who were mostly 4 stars, sometimes olineman take more than a year to develop. Relax

AlbanyBlue

October 19th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^

The big picture for me is that, after working hard all week, I'd like to enjoy watching Michigan football on Saturday. For that, I'd like to see a team competitive with the best of the B1G and hopefully one that can sometimes measure up to the best teams in the country. This season, after sitting through Akron, UConn, and Penn State, watching is not much fun. Watching this team on offense, with its OL that is shockingly MAC-level bad and its boring, conservative, redundant, chickensh*t scheme, is excruciating. Watching the team on defense is better, though watching teams march up and down the field on Michigan isn't great, for sure.

Now, many of you are screaming at your monitors, "then don't watch the game!!" Well, that's exactly what will happen. I'll DVR it and enjoy my Saturday. The big picture. As someone said, though, we wait months to watch Michigan football. It makes me sad that I'm doing this, but it's not worth the anxiety and despair. I hope they get better - hell, I hope they improve today. But the issues seem very much to be more systemic than player-related, and that doesn't bode well.

 

WallyWallace

October 19th, 2013 at 1:54 PM ^

Assuming Kalis is not injured,  Brian's video breakdowns have indicated that he hasn't done anything particularly impressive in his starts. The hot headed penalties haven't helped.

For me, the same applies to 5 star Derrick Green, who doesn't seem to have much value add unless there are gaping holes, which isn't going to happen with this core of linemen. I'm sure his role will expand over time, as a 5 star rating implies he should be capable of doing more than being a short yardage back.

Both of these guys are young, but as 5 star recruits, they mave wider halos chalked up to 'potential'.