Jim Harbaugh Presser, Tarik Black has fracture

Submitted by SkyPanther on August 27th, 2018 at 12:43 PM

Tarik Black: It's a fracture, similar to the one in the other foot last year

Winovich, Gentry, Watson, Runyan, Mone, JBB, Bredeson, Bush, have all emerged as leaders

Shea Patterson, he's really been good, focused, his level of focus and intesity ahs been really good. He's the one playing the best

I feel good about Notre Dame

Starting tackles: progressing well, forging on, ready to attack this week


6 minute video from "Michigan Football". First 30 seconds the camera is sideways.



Larry Appleton

August 27th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^

OK, so similar to last year's injury.  But this raises the question of whether Black actually could have returned by the end of last year, but the coaches held him out so as to preserve his RS, something they would not do this year.


August 27th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^

The thing that concerns me will be his mental game. As far as playing as to not injure himself again. Sometimes it takes awhile for the mental game to come back. To injure the other foot in the same way scares me... (Drake Harris). He's got to be discouraged no doubt.



August 27th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^

10+ years of experience in collegiate S&C and strength athletics. Only orthopedic foot injuries I ever saw were people stepping on feet with cleats on during practice/games, crap shoes tied too tight causing stress reaction stuff, and the occasional accidentally dropped thing on foot or kicked something stupid.


August 27th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^

As someone who has done personal training for years now and studied physiotherapy, I can say the human body is not meant to pack on a ton of muscle or fat in a short amount of time. We aren’t designed to do it. When you gain, say, 15 pounds of muscle in a short amount of time the body isn’t used to keeping the weight upright. Which increases pressure on certain joints/ligaments/bones. Not saying that any of this is why Tarik broke his foot, far from it. But there is something to that theory. 


August 27th, 2018 at 2:17 PM ^

"When you gain, say, 15 pounds of muscle in a short amount of time the body isn’t used to keeping the weight upright. Which increases pressure on certain joints/ligaments/bones."

This is hardly the first time in Michigan football history that players are adding significant amounts of weight and muscle after they arrive as freshmen. If doing so consistently led to injuries in the feet, we'd have been seeing foot injuries far more commonly and frequently in recent years than we have. And we'd be seeing an epidemic of it all over the CFB landscape.

Now are football players just getting too big overall for their joints/ligaments/bones everywhere in the body? I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, but focusing specifically on feet injuries under Herbert seems like trying to take random incidence and turning it into data with predictive power.


August 27th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

The fact that you are equating the result of fat gain and muscle gain as basically causing the same problems in the body tells me you are either overgeneralizing or don't know what you are talking about.  The "short amount of time" in this case is 6+ months.  These are P5 athletes, not sedentary office workers looking to lose the ol' spare tire.

I figured it was only a matter of time before the "BUT WHY DID THIS INJURY HAPPEN, WE MUST DIAGNOSE ON A MESSAGE BOARD" crowd started pointing fingers at Herbert.  We finally have an S&C coach that might be somewhat elite and the keyboard warriors are already blaming him for injuries.

Red is Blue

August 27th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^

Stress fractures are most common in the weight-bearing bones of the lower leg and foot. Track and field athletes and military recruits who carry heavy packs over long distances are particularly susceptible, but anyone can have a stress fracture. If you start a new exercise program, for example, you might develop stress fractures if you do too much too soon.


Gulo Gulo Luscus

August 27th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^

I have no independent understanding of this. Nor do I know whether MGoUser Max does. But he said this in the Herbert welcome post:

"there are some disconcerting deficiencies in his understanding of [squat] execution"

And from an Arkansas board:

"He does focus a lot on legs and back. Which, honestly, can slow a player down a bit. IMO, this emphasis in training has contributed to the foot injuries we've seen here."

S&C is an easy scapegoat and I don't have enough evidence to suggest anything other than coincidence, but ultimately it seemed worth discussing in light of the Black injury.


August 27th, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^

Just stop with blaming Herbert and staff.  Blacks foot injuries are genetic.  You don’t have similar injuries bilaterally under similar circumstances.  And stop with stupid theories about orthotics, etc.

Everyone needs to relax about losing Black.  This is football.  Injuries happen