James Franklin wishes other B1G schools and Notre Dame would allow Penn State to move on.
Not sure if yardbarker is banned or not, but they posted an article where Franklin is quoted as saying:
" I'm in Chicago at a wedding of one of my former players and the most recent things (allegations that late Penn State football coach Joe Paterno was told that Sandusky abused children in the 1970s) come up. I spend all Friday and Saturday on the phone talking to all of our players because other schools are contacting them and telling them the NCAA is going to get involved again and impose more sanctions… The people we’re competing with – Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame – this is just not something they have to deal with. Although we want to move on, those other schools are not letting us move on."
He goes on to say...
"Those programs as well as others know that and use that against us. We have that conversation with every single prospect. We don’t usually initiate it, but it’s coming from somewhere."
Does Harbaugh need to negatively recruit against PSU? No. Am I happy he does? Yes.
Here is to a thousand years of Penn State being trashed for allowing children to be raped on their campus by a football coach, and covering it up.
"Paterno flat out betrayed you. So why are you so loyal to him?"
Because Denial is the river that runs through Happy Valley.
1. Say it early. Get out in front of the story.
2. Say it all. Don't hide the facts in the hope that some won't come out. They will.
3. Say it yourself. If the media does the digging and presents the facts, you're toast.
4. Own all of the facts. Do the right thing. Move on.
As opposed to Spin Control 101, of course. Which would do none of this.
If you try to hide anything, it will all come out eventually, and when it comes out piece by piece, the story hangs around forever and you lose all credibility. As Canham used to say: "don't let a 1 day story become a 2 day story."
Which is pretty much where Penn State finds themselves now: no credibility and a story that won't die.
Unless you are governed by the NCAA in which case the proper strategy is:
1) Deny, deny, deny
2) Refuse, refuse, refuse
3) Propose minimal punishment
4)???
5) Profit
Crisis management brought to you by OSU and UNC.
Their plan was to do nothing. Firing Paterno was their only self imposed "punishment". That attitude invited the NCAA and Big Ten to get involved. They probably could have gotten away with self imposing lighter penalties than the NCAA imposed, without risking a death penalty.
As long as they don't apologize after putting that stake in the ground
Exactly.
Don't say you are sorry out of one side of yuor mouth and then say no, not really out of the other side.
That's what they keep doing and it's killing them.
Edit: Missed the Brady Hoke reference. Another true genius of crisis management.
Yeah even my class D high school was in need of a "time off year" to reflect on how out of control football had gotten. I cannot imagine at a place that harbored a serial child rapist
Franklin also had what was basically a student prostitution operation for visiting recruits at Vanderbilt. So that doesn't get brought up nearly enough.
he tried to bribe rape victims into not pressing charges while at Vanderbilt, am I wrong on this?
he did talk to the victim, but we really don't know what was said.
I know you're making that comparison for the purposes of why we don't like Franklin, but truthfully I wouldn't even put them even close to each other. Franklin isn't a pedophile and the most disgusting type of human being ever born, and for that reason I like him (comparatively speaking) infinitely more than Sandusky. I don't care if Sandusky was at Penn State, USC or Our Lady of the Poor College, he's the worst type of person in this world.
I promise I wasn't trying to be critical, just making a point of discussion...I think I was responding to more than just you because it seemed like there was a LOT of Franklin hate going on throughout this post, all of it deserved, but still... And yeah, I missed the hyperbole. Again, wasn't throwing darts at ya.
I doubt Harbaugh or any of the staff have the character to bring something like that up. I wouldn't either and I can say some pretty low things on here because yall don't know me! That being said, if there is anyone I wouldn't put negative recruiting past, it would be Franklin. That guy acts just like a snake and shady basterad. To hell with him and Penn State. Sick fuckers.
Harbaugh does not have to negatively recruit against Penn State by pointing out anything about Sandusky.
All he has to do is point out that James Franklin is their coach.
Well aware of that, thanks though!
Ohio turds, blame them.
haha, so they want to shower at penn state and then root for alabama
The SEC grasp of the English language is fantastic. Apparently even OSU fans understand the difference between then and than.
Also, those are pretty fucked up shirts, the heinous acts shouldn't be made light of like that.
hired a Cinncinati Bearcat grad to write that up.
Grammer!
fuck Penn St.
Fuck Jerry Sandusky
Fuck Joe Paterno
and Fuck James Franklin
fuck the Free World!
313!
Fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you...I'm out!
Logged in just to upvote
Fuck Jay Paterno too! Fuck that creep.
I hope Penn State football never recovers, and never lives this down, until one day Penn State is just a euphimism for pedophelia. Like "Man you hear about Jared from Subway? Turns out he's a big Penn State guy" and everyone in America knows what you mean.
That's my goal for that vile university and fanbase.
Fuck Penn State.
Boo-fucking-hoo. You don't like it, Franklin, you & PSU can move the fuck on out of the Big Ten.
There's no use in him complaining about it. He knew what he was getting into. If he didn't , he is not very bright.
Does anyone else find whining attractive?
usually works on me.
Whether I find it attractive or just fall for it every time is up for debate.
What's the problem? You work for a school that let kids get violated for 30 years, and complaining that people bring that up.
This is --- by far --- NOT the first time Franklin has made excuses while at PSU.
The situation is what it is, and actually has improved since Franklin took the job in January 2014. Full walk-backs on the scholarship reductions and the early end to the Bowl ban did not occur until September 2014.
Bill O'Brien --- that guy didn't make excuses. He took the situation as it was and dealt with it. No real public complaining from him.
All that said, if there are schools saying "the NCAA is going to re-open the case because of these 1970s allegations" --- they are most likely incorrect. I'd be shocked if the NCAA waded back in here.
It's a fair point on O'Brien. He knew the situation and made the best out of it. He actually did remarkably well on the field, given the circumstances.
Agreed too on Franklin being a whinger. PSU still has some tremendous recruiting advantages (huge stadium, rabid fan base, nothing much to compete with them from PA, etc.) to counterbalance the scandal. O'Brien got that, put his head down, and got to work. Franklin whinges about it.
i wouldn't say anything, but you did it twice. Whinger?
Or, in MAT format:
Whinge:Whine :: Whinger:Whiner.
It's a form of the word that I picked up after being told to stop whinging about something. It may be a primarily British form, but it's been a tough week for them, so it's the least I can do.
He complaining bitterly about coaches trying to poach his players. He gave his players and recruits a hard sell about loyalty, used the sanctions to get a much better deal from PSU and then lied to the next class of recruits on his way out of town. He looks good in comparison to Franklin, but that's such a low bar.
is rather different than that account. Bacon speaks highly of Bill O'Brien.
Sure O'Brien talked about loyalty. But I don't recall any "bitter complaining."
And his "lying" was nothing different than any other college Head Coach who leaves for another job during the December/January time period between seasons.
taking the Houston job. That's strikes me as worse than the generic lying coaches may do.
he was on the record (PennLive article) on 3-January-2014 saying "I wouldn't look it at it as lying. It's a business and you have to do what you have to do. You have to be prepared for it at all times."
I don't love that aspect of the college football business, but coaches do have to "shade the truth" at times. It does suck for recruits, especially the lower-tier ones. Holley was rated at worst a high-4-star (rated 5-star by many), so there would always be schools willing to make room for him. Landed on his feet at Florida.
Holley either had a good attitude or was good at being diplomatic. I think most of us understand that many coaches "shade the truth" at times in recruiting. Even given that context, I consider that crossing the line. There has to be a line somewhere, doesn't there? I think that would've been a good time for PSU's coaches to hold themselves to a higher ethical standard.
I find O'Brien's personal virtues were often exaggerated here. I think he was a good coach for PSU operating under very difficult circumstances. I'll give him credit for that and for behaving better than Paterno or Franklin, but not for being more ethical than the norm.
I found his complaints very annoying. I understood his frustration, but they were coming at a time when many people thought PSU was getting off too lightly, I was among them.
but I don't really remember O'Brien being held up by folk as "more ethical than the norm." He was just a football coach.
Again, maybe I'm forgetting. But I also don't really remember O'Brien complaining much.
There was one instance --- in May 2013 Jay Paterno was running around being an idiot (surprise surprise), giving quotes to Dennis Dodd about how O'Brien's 2012 season wasn't really that good, the league was down and his Dad would have done better.
O'Brien did get publicly annoyed at those comments from Jay. I didn't particularly blame him.
May 2013 was also when there was a Sports Illustrated article about PSU/O'Brien, with some "unnamed Penn State sources" taking a relatively minor subject (who Penn State football's orthopedic surgeon was) and insinuating that O'Brien didn't care about his players' safety. An article that was obviously sourced from people who had an axe to grind with O'Brien, who were pissed that things had changed since the "old regime." O'Brien --- rightfully --- got very angry about that one.
I just mention that because --- I sort of knew it at the time: THAT is when O'Brien really decided he'd likely be moving on. Too much nonsense to deal with. If he made excuses about that political nonsense, I don't particularly blame him there either.
That's the problem with permanent stains, James Franklin - they're permanent.
You knew when you signed up for the position that you were joining an institution that enabled and worked to cover up child rape. Over the course of decades, while holding itself out in a "holier than thou" posture. So stop whining about it, own it, and get back to underperforming on the field.
Never. Fucking. Forget.
"You people"? "YOU PEOPLE"?!?!
Uh, we're going to have to have a house meeting, Mabel.
The moms run this place with an iron fist.